na, it’s just less of an issue. Lost a few games lowpop to survs hive rushing. Not like pro queens are on all the time.
For the record, when I play xeno, I always weed, break tables, and cap survs, because I enjoy it. You ABSOLUTELY do not have to do it, and it is a VIDEO GAME.
I’m so tired of players acting like because this game is competitive, every player MUST play optimally. We are perfectly fine with marines who make silly, useless revolver builds, and marines who grab the bare minimum and head to the dropship. There is NOTHING different between that and doing the bare minimum as a xeno. If you do not enjoy the BUSYWORK that goes into playing optimally, you should not be PUNISHED for not doing it. This idea that everyone needs to pay their tax (the actual in-game term we use to describe this) to deserve to have fun is fucking moronic.
I don’t want to watch videos. But if I did want to watch videos, I should still be able to play the game. There is a high chance that if you do not join at roundstart, you will be stuck in the larva queue for an extraordinarily long time, perhaps even the entire round. And you will almost certainly not be able to evolve beyond t1, since even if there are slots, the queen will be off ovi by the time you play. Everyone deserves to play the game, not just people with a specific playstyle.
Xenos AFKing pre-drop has a very small detriment to everyone’s gameplay, which is EXACTLY THE SAME FOR MARINES. Not waiting in line at req and skipping briefing HURTS MARINE WINRATES, but for some reason, we’re all fine with that.
There’s nothing wrong with that, and again, that’s how I personally play, but my point is that if someone does NOT want to do “everything they can to win” at the cost of their own enjoyment, they shouldn’t be punished by being stuck at t1 or not being able to play at all.
Bad surv hunters will slash caps, bodyblock, and leader-tackle other xenos. Anyone who actually plays xeno will tell you they’d rather only have dedicated ones than the entire team. And if you’re survhunting without enough xenos, and you die, that is 100% on you. Speaking from experience lmfao.
I do it all the time. I hate building, and I love playing Queen. Core the choke, drop a bunch of clusters and morphers, and build like ten walls. It’s awesome. My winrate doing this is way above 50%, ESPECIALLY on lowpop.
I don’t beg. I don’t scream or demand either. I make one announcement asking people to cap survs and telling them where I want built, and it almost always happens. If it doesn’t happen, I adapt. It’s a game, it’s not that fucking deep.
I could keep going, but at the end of the day, 90% of this comes down to y’all being TOO DAMN COMPETITIVE. It’s a GAME, you should ENJOY IT. Everyone should enjoy it. Some people enjoy “grind” gameplay that increases their personal output and their winrates, some people don’t. Any change that makes it so that people should be doing something UNFUN just for the sake of winning is a BAD CHANGE. Full-stop, end of story. If there are that many chores that people are not enjoying, they should be removed. If you don’t enjoy them, stop doing them. Some people (ME) enjoy them, so let us do them in peace. If there are more chores than there are people who enjoy chores, we oughta lower the number of chores.
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If I’m playing xeno I literally only want to play warrior and kill everyone or MAYBE play prae and die immediately. This is a game, I’m not joining xeno to build walls or weed or whatever because I don’t care about that. If I play RFN and want to dual wield m37s then I can do that too.
The people here complaining about this need to understand this is a game that people play for fun. If I play CO I don’t go bitch and moan about riflemen running off and doing dumb shit or BE people because they AFK’d, because this is a game. The rules are meant to keep things fun and fair, not force you to be the perfectly obedient RTS unit who does stuff that is boring or sucks because you have to or you’re banned
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“Need additional pylon” said the drone whose player went out for a drink for 30 seconds then got the classic “Hey you got a minute?”. People can be a dick for not building the cave or rush survs at round start since they don’t want to, we have rule 4 for it already. Just ahelp if you think they’re not playing the team game but then it’s grey area on that part. Whenever I decide to play drone from round starts once in the blue moon, I just ignore the others (especially the queen) and build the caves since that’s all I want to do that round and can’t be bother to “DRONE RUSH TALLS OR ELSE”.
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The solution.
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If the way you enjoy the game is by watching videos on another monitor, I would hazard a guess that you don’t actually enjoy the game
I think you will find that most drone players don’t actually enjoy playing a drone, but they do it because they have a heart and/or want their team to find success. The endpoint of “it’s okay to not play the game because other people will do the work I don’t want to do” is people who are weak-willed (like my dumb ass) trying to do nice things for other people being denied THEIR chance to have fun because somebody else has taken the easy way out (SO EASY THEY ARE NOT EVEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE GAME)
Also once again, skipping brief/req is NOT THE SAME AS BEING FULL AFK FOR 20 MINUTES! even a marine who just afks in the DS has to at least gear up a TINY AMOUNT. Let alone be given essentially free req gear because they chose to ignore….anything involving the game besides clicking the join button
For the record, I’m 100% fine with people in the hive chatting, or talking to synth. If you’re AFK entirely, I don’t have any respect for that shit.
Eat shit and wait in queue if you don’t want to be active, that’s what I always did because I’m not an asshole
E: imagine a fps game where at 10 minutes a cool gun unlocks and you have 3 guys afk for 10 minutes refusing to play until the gun unlocks so they can shoot it because the other guns “aren’t fun”
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we cant have both philosophies of “you should just be playing to have fun not to win the game” and “you should be giving your all to the hive no matter how boring” at the same time
pick one
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I choose this one. It is the healthier option.
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But i’d rather send one announcement, say 3 random people “Go find someone else to do your job or build if you don’t want to hunt survs” and wipe my hands clean, maybe check up on them and banish them if they ignore me (because xenos shouldn’t ignore the queen and should generally do what they are responsible for doing). I’d probably leader them so i can remember easier and so they get pheros.
Division of labor to ensure things happen is not a bad thing. It makes things easier for everyone. It’s a team game so it’s important to work with your team.
Killing survs is fine. And this also happens in normal gameplay too. Not every beno is perfect - generally you will have a better time if you play around this then if you don’t act like it’s a gaurantee.
Keep in mind i’m also speaking from experience. when i was playing the game i remember a lot being up against like a surv siege alone trying to get people to play the game especially on lowpop - that’s not fun it’s boring and makes me want to rush them way earlier on to avoid that which is 9 times more dangerous altho its more fun. If theres multiple benos it’s less of an issue, survs just don’t have resources like regular marines and will struggle a lot against more then 1 beno. It’s less of an issue if you’re queen because queen is loud and people actually listen to her. But there are many times where I would really have appreciated help while fighting survs.
I don’t think you should assume all survhunters would want to be solo. Solo into surv is only fun during like the first 5 minutes of the game until they build or something. And if people are noobs it’s fine because like, who would complain when their teammates are bad. That’s just cringe, let them play the game, make mistakes, improve, etc. You can’t force players to evo into a specific caste so you can’t make them dronerush anyway, but you can make them evo when all the t1s are open so they can go help with any survs still standing.
It’s wanting to have a fun gameplay experience. It’s very rare that it becomes fun to play without builders for example. Having the caps from survs helps people come back to the game quicker if they hunt survs or w/e or die early. These are labors to make the game more fun for your side - not just labors to make it more likely to win, and it’s not something that should be treated as just arbitrary.
Further, why should I value a random lazy beno’s T2 slot over someone who’s hunting surv’s T2 slot? It makes no sense, noone wants to die here. It’s just less likely for anyone to die if there’s multiple people hunting survs.
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I’d much rather queens who forget this game isn’t an RTS get bwoinked than people who want to afk at hive.
I don’t understand why you can’t get this point into your head. It is FINE that you enjoy hunting survs. I. Do. Too. It is not fine to try and force everyone else to do that. This is a VIDEO GAME and it SHOULD BE FUN. No one should be miserable for the sake of improving their team’s winrate. Fuck your game experience. Hunt survs alone or KINDLY convince people to hunt them with you. I’ve literally never had a problem with this. In my experience, if nobody wants to work with you, you’re probably being a miserable asshole. Either way, it’s not their job to make your gameplay easier.
Most FPS games force you to wait in a queue before you play. You’re quite literally AFK for (often much more than) 10 minutes so that you can play the game. Nobody punishes you for not planning your strategy or whatever the fuck, because you are WAITING FOR THE ACTUAL GAME TO START. I love this metaphor.
Just DON’T. You played hivelord for a billion hours despite hating it because you have this insane view of what we owe to each other. Don’t play roles that you don’t enjoy. Don’t force other people to do things they don’t enjoy. Just don’t. Live and let live.
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I quit instead so I guess you’re right
Also: your lobby analogy is not good because we HAVE a lobby. Nobody is complaining about people in the lobby being afk.
In fact, as I said, I waited in the lobby until I was ready to play and engage with the game. If these people were doing something in the game (even if it’s just chatting in the hive) instead of being FULLY FOCUSED ELSEWHERE I would have ZERO issue
E: the only way to enjoy the game is to not engage with it at all ig
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Amen brother, well said. We aint getting paid.
Hunting survs have already become a core gameplay loop for xenoes, and outright denying it and instead opting to AFK instead of playing the game, is kinda ludacris to me. There is no real argument against playing the game at this point, cept not wanting to play it. Like I get not wanting to build, melt stuff, or weed the map. I am guilty of that as well. But saying that attacking the enemy is too bothersome, and that AFKing instead of playing the game is justified feels wrong on so many levels.
Like, do you also justify AFKing as senti in hive while marines are on the ground, since you enjoy playing spitter and prea/boiler/dispo instead? Do you just AFK in hive while queen is off ovi until you get your prefered T2 or T3? Like I cannot get into the viewpoint of “I’d rather AFK then play the game”.
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I have no problem with sentinels waiting for spitter evo in hive, or with runners waiting for lurker or even rav. Again, sentinel is harder than spitter, and runner is a lot more difficult to play (especially with Queen on ovi) than lurker. As a Queen player I often see this happening and it never felt like an issue for me, unless the hive is under direct threat. Your complaints would feel more justified to me if you could join the game as a caste you want to play. But if I want to play crusher, I don’t want to blow my chance by dying as a warrior (also a very difficult caste, especially compared to crusher).
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Same, i play queen nore then any other cast, my take on the matter is that i really dont mind if their are people afk in hive pre drop, id really rather have my drones help me huold defences rather then risk their lives in a potential net loss of xenos.
What i do is if you are AFK in hive post drop for long perioids of time, i dont really care if its somebody thats legitimately had to go do something and wont be long, but if a T2 or 3 has been afk in hive for 5-10 mins depending on how bad things are im going to de evo them. Its nothing against the person but im not going to let a T3 slot go to waste in the hive
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Maybe if building as a xeno was actually fun, I’d want to do it more. But it isn’t and I don’t particularly want to risk my slot rushing survs as a drone when I can just wait to play as a fun caste instead.
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I thought the people want less staff intervention yet i dont get people asking for MORE staff intervention.
imagine if people maybe coded some incentives for xenos not AFKing, talking to devs instead of just telling staffman 1984 every single xeno that AFKs in the hive.
AFKing in hive is just a product of playing the game too much. Just like how people roll PFC, Suit up and AFK in the dropship.
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Excellent point. That is the logical conclusion of some of these trains of thought. Mind you I disagree with it. Just have fun.
Actually I want less staff intervention, I want to be able to banish as Queen those who AFK even after being told to go help the Hive, instead of getting bwoinked for it.
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I’m sorry but if it’s in the rules you would need to ahelp admin on the afks and not more leeway on banishment for those afks. Once again as people already said, it’s a game we play for fun not minmaxing professional ranking game with millions on the line, you should chill out.
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