Can we end discussion posts that are just extending policy discussion?

Title. Regarding the recent drama cycle on CLF BEing, we started with a player report, then it got moved to policy discussion, then when it was solved and locked by forest a thinly veiled discussion thread got pulled up to continue the drama cycle, which (IMO rightfully) was cleaned up by LTNS. I really don’t enjoy the forum being cyclic drama recycling, so could we like, start locking threads that do this?

We’ve seen the same thing with stims and multiple other topics

Frankly I was going to attach making drama posts that are just recycling old drama but thats another can of worms.

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But where will I post your Forum Drama post? All kidding aside, I agree.

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Well, there is one issue that people fail to understand that I think is still worth discussing there.

Atleast two forum users wrote that they don’t understand why CO is allowed to do (BE, which essentialy is just permakilling corpses), but any other player would be found “grieffing”.

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Can we end policy feedback posts that are just extending discussion posts that are just extending policy discussion?

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At the moment when I wrote the original post starting the discussion I only saw a player report talking about this, and while at first I thought to write my own experiences with CO’s BEing hostile players there, it wouldnt be appropriate. I did not see the policy feedback thread until after, checking through forums when people wrote “Didnt this was just discussed in another thread?”.
Plus, it wasnt made by the same person. So I dunno how I am continuing “Drama Cycle” when I am trying discuss an actual issue. Round removing people is silly, its normally against the rules and the rule itself explicitly was made to stop people from permaing each other while they are in hostile factions, yet there’s someone who can just ignore the rule anyways… curious.

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i have nothing to say here, but this is exactly you drama cycling

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can you just let people discuss stuff they want to discuss instead of hiding and and pretending you are hurt from their discussions, cuz of attention disorder. Where the hell are we supposed to talk if not on forums?

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Yeah, a singular whitelisted role that more often than not, sits in CIC on Almayer. That is a non-issue. It is not admeme doing that, it is not a license to grief. That rule exist so that when you are fighting on the frontlines, nobody will mess with your chance to be revived. It is only fair that if you want to attack the most important marine on the server, you can say to your revival “bye bye”.

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Wow, if an issue is not going away, people keep discussing it. What a surprise…

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People are discussing it because they see it as an issue. The responses were straight up dismissive and bad faith so it wasn’t solved by the way. I still haven’t seen a good argument for this being allowed.

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I had a brief conversation with @harrysno in dchat that made it make a lot more sense, not to be a turncoat but I’m more convinced now

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I dont really see discussions about the game as “drama”. I just see them as discussions about the game. I’m talking about the stim posts mainly. Simple debate over opinions on silly game mechanics that have been in the game for 200 years may be overdramatic and excessive at times, but it’s just reasonable communication about meaningless stuff and fun and, respectfully, is there a point in hating on it? The actual discussion on the topic ended 5 days ago naturally, so it didn’t need to be locked.

I think it’s a meme to call this genre of forum post drama, since if you actually think about it and participate long enough, it’s just people who care about something talking about the thing they care about. And really, the forums is the place for that sort of discussion, since you can take your time and make a better picture of the situation and make your input legible. Unlike a lot of bad drama, it does not chase specific people, nor stick, nor really involve interpersonal relationships.

This is just how discussions of cm go and more or less people should just be allowed to talk about their opinions on the game if they want to. Because they want to, and opinions about meaningless game mechanics don’t mean anything without considering multiple viewpoints, and further the game loses meaning if you can’t discuss your experiences and views with others. Just hopping in and playing the game for fun isn’t for everyone, just like opening the forums and making a post about their new fav forum topic isn’t for everyone. I’d argue, posts like the stim post are amazing topics for creating discussion, because they clearly succeeded in making a lot of people want to talk.

When it involves complaining about people (such as devs), or making stuff up, being excessively rude, etc, it becomes bad drama. But most people do not post that way, nor should post that way. CM is an escape from reality rly and bringing stuff like this into discussions of the game is jarring and unnecessarily hurtful.

The only reason post topics “cycle” is because new people come in, discuss something, and leave. That’s fine, that’s normal and you shouldn’t expect someone to read a long thread. Further, the amount of new topics created is so small on this forum compared to the amount of posters that its just inevitable that the one interesting post of the week might get 100 replies. (or 0, depending on how quickly the first few ppl reply). The stuff people usually want to talk about when they first go on the forums is a pretty small list of things that they actually care about.

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I leave for 2 days to deal with real world shit. log in, and theres people arguing about BE in the thread arguing about stopping drama cycling.

Forum mods can we clear people who arent on topic please?

I’ve pruned most of the posts that are off topic.

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I agree once it’s locked and a new topic about it start right away is needless. It was locked for a purpose, that I agree with you.

But locking every topic that comes again I can’t agree on. Lock every thread about screech, specs, stims, hijack. It would not really take a year and everything you try to post would just get locked due to recycle. You wouldn’t even be allowed to talk about any cm content at one point. There I have to say that’s taking it to far. All in all it’s a forum, no one is forced to read the topic inside of it. If you see the 100th topic about stims and you feel you have to press it and force read it and not ignore it. That’s honestly on you.

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Personally, I’ve never felt it necessary to close/lock threads on topics even if said topic has had a definitive answer. The only time I would consider it required is if it was a policy discussion (like this thread).

I appreciate that if a discussion becomes vitriolic, but in this case, I’d just remove the offending posts. But, at the end of it all, forum moderation is an optional duty for staff, and everyone has their own moderation style.

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based post

agree completely @birb , this kind of long form discussion used to populate the internet before we got hyperconversational chats like Discord – yes, IRC existed but it was mechanically less “parasocial", it was extremely limited and thus there wasn’t as much a need to moderate

this is just how it is, nothing that has happened on this forum has really been a “flame war” as I know it

I’m literally only 26, I’m not even boomerposting, forums aren’t some ancient thing, I used to shitpost on Gamefaqs and Zeldauniverse – this forum is more civil than most, it’s just the advent of parasocial mediums like Discord that make people like OP think we need to clamp down on argument, shittalking, etc – because such chats are shortform and far more emotional

sorry for the seriouspost; oh wait that’s what a forum is. not everything people type has to be detached and irony poisoned, a forum is supposed to be where people care about shit, no one is DMing you personally, if you’re taking their willing discussion amongst themselves as bad faith/toxic then generally that’s your own projection (the You here is hypothetical)

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Good observation sir. I dislike Discord for the very reason you articulated so well.

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oh, so we gave BE powers to the gunship pilot?

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I think quartermaster would have also been an acceptable answer for most important marine

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