Coping and Seething

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Dear CO Council,

CO need to stop deploying. Be a leader or play rifleman.
There’s a few CO who can roll xenos when they deploy, and want everyone to follow them but… just play Squad leader if you want people to follow you…

If an SL sees a flank that can be executed, then radio in and call CIC, or if it’s not a massive outflank, then just do it…

CO just “attacking” doesn’t promote the teamwork required for the marine side.
Many players complain about “death ball” strategies; nothing is more “Death Ball” than CO as point-man.

I refuse to create player/whitelist reports, and I won’t name names, but I am positive you know who are the biggest critiques of people that speak out against deployed COs. These are the players that often PFC++ and deploy 9/10 times they de-cryo as CO on round start.

My two main criticisms about deployed CO are as follows:

  1. Tunnel Vision
  2. It’s all about the Protag CO.

Most, like 80% of the time a CO deploys, ESPECIALLY ON FIRST DROP… the front collapses due to the most basic lack of situational awareness. The CO is all about what he gets to shoot that he forgets that “oh yeah, the xenos can flank and kill everyone else.”

Otherwise, it’s all about the CO.
“The CO ran off to the other side of the map.”
“The CO is incapacitated.”
“The CO is being captured.”
“The CO called a retreat and is already back at the FOB, but 2 minutes later, here’s the announcement.”
“We were hijacked, and evac wasn’t called, but the CO deployed, and had to get more ammo from REQ, so I guess if you need to evac, tough luck.”

I personally have no problem with CIC deployments IF they assume leadership roles.
Leadership is not about how many kills you get, but instead about telling other people to get a lot of kills.
Too often CO and XO deploy themselves when they have 3, 4 or even FIVE staff officers.
If you have staff officers, deploy them… INTO A LEADERSHIP ROLE.

CIC is a support branch of the USCM, not the killer supreme role. Restrictions to who can deploy who should IMO be put in place.
For example, one time I was XO, and had 4 Staff Officers. I chose to deploy 2 staff officers as platoon leaders for Alpha-Bravo, and Charlie-Delta. They were to focus on communicating with their respective Almeyer Staff Officer.
Some bad flanks had them eliminated, so, graciously, I deployed Kleiner, who was CO into a leadership position. Not for combat, but for more immediate and reliable ground information.
He assumed and took that role very well.

I know I goof on Kleiner a lot, and I will stop. I know a lot of you think he sucks at leading ops, but he took the role well, and played as a leader, not a fragger, and we did very well that operation because the leadership roles played leadership roles. This is why I am certain Kleiner is well regarded in the CO Whitelist community. In addition to his ability to maintain a roleplay standard in his announcements.

I’m almost inclined to suggest that CO should be incapable of deploying with a rifle.
Having personally been a fan of historical military learning, generals like Patton didn’t carry rifles, but instead pistols. Similar to CM, he carried two ivory revolvers of his own personal purchase.
Sure, yeah, okay if the opposition broke into the base, yeah, he’d probably bust our a rifle. But on the battlefield, it was more important to be commanding, than managing and unwieldy rifle.
Hence why many Squad leaders carried lighter sub machine guns, and carbines.

Locking the CO rifles to hijack explicitly, or even taking away the snowflake Smartgun and M46C or whatever it’s called to ASO might make more sense just to remove the temptation of protag-gameplay to someone with massive restrictions of FOB-duty at most.

So in summary:
-CO deploy way too much.
-When CO deploy, everyone under their command suffers.
-If a CO deploys, he must be closer to a last resort deployment, and should probably be requested by someone else to be deployed. Otherwise, the CO should have others deploy for him.
-CIC Personnel should maybe not deploy with rifles so they can assume their leadership responsibilities instead of fragging temptations.
-Perhaps CO should NOT have snowflake rifles. Having the snowflake pistols is more okay with me since it’s less… “comabt-capable,” and is more suited to last resort defense.

Anyway… coping and seething.
Lemme hear how the situational awareness wouldn’t have been different with a WL CO being in CIC instead of on the battlefield where there’s no fallback cades, and everyone dies to a mediocre flank for someone that aspired to be the ultimate leader but chooses to be a snowflake RFN.

I don’t think anything will change, so acid goop section. Copy/pasta intensifies.

Maybe literally anyone from the CO Council will have thoughts.
I don’t need to hear them. I just ask that perhaps you spend 5 minutes on mine.

Thanks!
-Rezzer.

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To much formattiong for it to be a good copypast, sorry. No wall of text here. Otherwise would call @DukeofCagliostro.

Please reformat and submit anew.

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Strange how 80% of my rounds don’t go like that… very peculiar. It, in fact, tends to be the opposite, cause without strong leadership groundside, marines often crumble! John Captain saying “erm.. marines.. gois.. can u uhm.. please listen to me gois… gois?? pls… i… i am your leader!!! please!!! lsiten t ome!!” does not do anything. Ever.

But, the average marine sees the blue star, they follow the blue star. If said blue star then also has someone to dial OBs, and knows how to use them and coordinate the marines, it is 1000000000000% more efficient than if he sat on his hands looking at the tac map table like this:

Then, 30 minutes later saying. “Marines. I can’t believe you didn’t follow my plan. Please prepare for evacuation”. That then repeats, every single round.

Also, Mister Atticus Rezzer. Please stop putting an irony shield on your opinion on CO matters. No one mentions all this, this much, this consistently, “ironically”. Put it in discussion.

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Agreed. Not meth head at 3 AM rant enough. This is coherent.

Otherwise, it’s all about the CO.
“The CO ran off to the other side of the map.”
“The CO is incapacitated.”
“The CO is being captured.”
“The CO called a retreat and is already back at the FOB, but 2 minutes later, here’s the announcement.”
“We were hijacked, and evac wasn’t called, but the CO deployed, and had to get more ammo from REQ, so I guess if you need to evac, tough luck.”

You’re one of the few that just rolls xenos. But the ops when you deploy feel like they’re all about you in a 150 player match. Is it because you have the protag gun? Is it cuz skills and “git gud” or something else? idk… I think it takes away from the experience when CO deploy and protag.

CIC is not about efficiency. It’s about leadership. You have two computers that can send announcements, and 4 computers that can send messages to individual squads. (five if you count the command tent.)
Power gaming the protag gun and the “Follow me, let’s death ball!” is lame IMO.

And tbf, I feel like I never get a tacmap when you deploy because you’re too fixated on getting your loadout spic and span so you can make first deployment… obviously it’s going to be a “I have to chase the CO to play the game or the op will be over.”
Also, you always fly the alamo, so not even the pilot can do the ONE THING he’s supposed to do…
So between the 4 squad leaders, and the pilot, there’s 5 people that can’t even play the role they’re supposed to do because everyone’s too busy chasing you or letting you do their job for them.

Not including the XO’s inability to take hold of command with you just running around on whims whilst he gathers info and tries to make a strategy.
Plus the SOs not getting to relay the XO’s orders.

Also if you think you need players that know how to call OBs… Staff officers know how to do this. Plus all the Squad Leaders, and all the Fireteam Leaders.
The squad computers let you send messages directly to the acting squad leader so if you want to communicate about OBs without embarrassing them, you can directly tell them stuff without others able to hear how they don’t know what they’re doing if you can’t pick up one of the 6 phones in CIC.

So just play squad leader and unga from there with your leadership skills instead of stepping on everyone else’s toes.
Seriously, why don’t you do that instead of PFC++ CO?
Legitimately.

Please stop putting an irony shield on your opinion on CO matters.

I know no one cares, so I shouldn’t take myself seriously.

im too drunk to replace CO with CQ (combat queen) in OP’s post

someone else do it please

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Let me down a 5th of whisky and I got you man.

liver has sent SOS

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I average 5 medals a round. I make sure that marines around me are acknowledged for their contributions. Though, I can’t help it if marines prefer that I’m alive. CIC will often reverberate what’s said: Stick to the CO (the leader). That’s about all I can fathom of it “all being about the CO”, but I do see your point on certain parts of it.

There is no more leadership sitting AFK in CIC. As mentioned.

I sit in the cockpit to RP with the pilots. I don’t launch it when they’re there, no. Interesting theory though!

On that regard also, I think I’ve had like a small handful of bad interactions with SLs through my near half decade of CO, playing the way I do. Most SLs seem to enjoy working alongside me, knowing that ANY concern they have, can be relayed directly to me and it WILL be taken care of with prejudice. Any opinions on flanks, suggestions, will be taken into consideration. They don’t have to beg for my attention over comms, hoping I see it while I’m micromanaging the squads on camera. Then, when the time to charge finally comes, they do so in a structured and organized manner, with each squad backing eachother up. CO’s rally around the banner effect is immensely morale boosting, and mainly only xenos tend to complain about it.

The PFC+ accusers tend to be vastly misinformed and it’s often hard to decipher what they’d actually prefer instead. Cause, what they DO say they’d prefer, doesn’t happen. Ever. So…?

I tend to wait until we’re groundside to do a TAC map update; or I let my XO do it. I prefer to let the XO make a plan, and that’s another argument for deployment COs. It gives the XO more agency, more independence. If the CO is to remain shipside, he either A) goes afk like above or B) takes over the operation so the XO has to go AFK like above. This isn’t “whims” lmao. I ask my Captain if he wants to make the plan, and if he does I let him.

Ok, but they never do. Ever. And when they do fire the OBs, it doesn’t do anything. And, you need to prod them for 30 minutes before that happens. SOs also don’t tend to actually communicate when they go groundside, and marines don’t listen to them either. SO deployment is the true PFC+ role, unless deployed in tangent with a CO.

SL is responsible for one squad. CO can act as SL to all four simultaneously, while advising left right and center. As for the PFC+ part… I make 30+ announcements per round, usually on cooldown, ranging from instructions to medical personnel, communication with CIC, info on flanks that I can see coming solely because I am groundside, and just general organization.

PFC+ would be silently gunning things down with no communication, which I have never done, and will never do. The council you speak of already came to that conclusion regarding me themselves a while back.

You have an opinion. Put it in discussion. That’s all I’m saying on it.

Furthermore:

Major Dafoe (professional pfc++) signing off

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Police, I would like to report a murder.

I’m a Joe Dafoe CO lover. I’m a Finn combat synth supporter. I’m an Ugnip55 superfan. I love Joe Dafoe, I always back up Joe Dafoe. I play corpsman so I can pocket medic Joe Dafoe and keep him dosed on oxycodone at all times. One time Joe Dafoe gave me a medal for saving him from being capped and that was the moment I knew that I would dedicate the rest of my career to helping Joe Dafoe be CM’s no. 1 top fragger!

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man fuck joe dafoe i hate that dude

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@Ugnip55 so true i hate that bozo dafoe when i play marine he never acknowledge my existence 5 medals per round wheres MY medal he does not exist in my eyes before he gives me a medal for doing nothing

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a good deployed CO is basically just a good combat queen

they got their screech (move order), better information analysis (tacmap tablet for CO, queen has instant view of all xenos that talk), 1v1 stun (mateba, neuro), xeno pointer goes to them so xenos know who to follow (SL’s can set to CO and marines follow SL), they got announcements

tgmc has a field commander role that does everything that Joe Dafoe does and no one complains

i wish i still had my CO whitelist so i could deploy to planet as a commander again (XO deploy never happens lets be real, its too many steps to pull off) :speaking_head:

just ask the playing co if they’re deploying. and if not ask them if you could lead ground forces instead. lol.

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CO usually wants to deploy in that case, and if i have no CO, i have to have someone take over CIC (and most people do not want to be aCO).

Its a hard knock life.

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@DukeofCagliostro hey i was watching that bring it back

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