Query, what stops xenos from cave hugging regardless? Xenos just sit in caves and farm captures while 5-9 marines get to shoot the same T3s over and over.
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What’s stopping you from going around the same choke that is being farmed because no one will go around?
The stigma of being a boring XO/CO isn’t enough to make people not do it; as we can see.
You are maldin because you got called out for disobeying a completely reasonable order under bullshit reason. Not my problem.
Here’s what happens, you push out into 96 cade camping marines and fight a screen wide green fire mortar that lasts forever, an HE mortar, an OT mortar that you have no idea that is OT until it kills 7 xenos in one strike, a two screen wide cas strike, and you have the audicaity to ask “why do xenos sit in the caves where the off screen damage can’t kill them.”
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I took this screenshot because they retreated the fob and then sat there the entire round and then I had to have the xenos sit in the caves and wait for marines to push.
“Why xenos no push with 25 xenos into deadass almost 100 marines sitting behind 6 cadelines and then evaccing when one cade is broken, but fob is not breached.”
Deadass.
Xenos are the defensive side, they are supposed to be good at attrition and bad on open ground. Air support makes everything open ground. You are asking why xenos don’t push open ground. INTeresting.
If you prefer to not get banished simply listen to the queen, or it can turn into an ahelp which can turn into a job ban which is a permanent removal from the queue system and xeno side all together. Pick your poison. The real problem is people think they are above/don’t have to listen/don’t have to help/don’t have to do anything. Its not hard to go build. It’s not hard to go help cap the survs. It’s not hard to not go where you’re told not to go. Especially when you are force tracked to a mark. Especially when there’s other xenos asking you to help but you think you are above helping your team. Especially when other xenos are telling you where to go. Especially when xenos are telling you to not run into the shit water. Especially when the same announcement has deadass been made 8 times, said locally 12 times, told to you personally 4 times, and told in hivemind another 10 times.
Wake up and come back to down to earth.
And since some of us seem to not be familiar with the rules, let me remind you:
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I wouldn’t be mentioning this if it was done only in response to cadehugging.
The last time I saw you force xenos not to play it was on LV against weak marines on the beach and xenos took the LZ within 10 minutes of walking out of the caves. It’s not an one time occurence either where xenos are forced to sit back despite marines not sitting at FOB, creating the very same issue you’re complaining about.
Rules are enforced as intended. Every example of a rule break cannot be defined as written, therefore, enforcement of the rules is subject to staff interpretation of the rule’s intention
It shouldn’t be hard to figure out the rule’s intent and why xenos are a role that’s listed there yet still allowed to ghost every round unpunished. Unsure why would you bring it up though.
Point is you don’t need to exert total control over all the xenos and let people actually play the game. Why would a queen choose an unwilling player in a non-combat caste and force him to fight robustos, if there were other drones around? Was this really necessary? How do you think the player feels about it?
Think of the burrower players that could be ordered not to go do whatever cheese they’re currently feeling like doing - WAR not to board. PIG not to mess around the LZ. RAT not to make his own trap nest. Currently queen could force them to weed the frontline all round long despite there being other caste capable of weeding, do you think they’ll enjoy the game if a queen does that? That robust warrior dueling a pred? Better banish him for having fun. T3 out of hive before queen deovis? Ruins the chance of victory, better force them to afk till she drops ovi one hour in.
Xenos being unable to disobey the queen should not lead to the queen treating CM as an SP game and trying to enforce maximum efficiency to win to the point where it’s no longer fun. And just because it is not currently outright specified in the rules it doesn’t make it alright. In essence a very similar issue to marine law and MPs stacking an hour of jailtime on people breaking old squad req windows.
I was talking about a builder player that got banished for not wanting to go fight survivors. But since you wanna bring up unrelated stuff - I was banished because I disagreed, not because I disobeyed. Had I not called you out about the drone you’d let me sit in hive next to ovi till t3 as you do every single round and as you had up until the point I disagreed. Forcing T1s to fight survivors is also highly questionable given how many of them die on average, but not exactly the topic for this so w/e.
Go off sister.
We can ask for a log pull if you really want. I know how many times I say the same thing in the various formats including setting hive orders.
Don’t worry, I’m sure you saying “you can’t order us to suicide so I don’t need to go fight survivors.” If you stopped to think for like 1s you would have quickly put together that 2+2 does not equal 4, since that would also mean that the queen cannot tell you to go fight marines under your hair brain logic. But that’s neither here nor there.
The point of the matter is the rule states, very pointed and bluntly: listen to the queen. It’s not when you feel like, not “that’s not what my caste does”, not “I don’t wanna.” Your job is to carry out the will of the queen, if that will says go cap the survivors then get off your butt, stop making excuses as to why you are better than helping the hive, and go do it & then you won’t get banished. Wild…I know.
Did you know if that 1 player has back up when fighting robustos he won’t die? Crazy! Surely that means 20 people shouldn’t afk in dreamland in the hive and stare at the wall while the one drone fights the survs while the queen says on repeat to go help the drone, right? The drone doesn’t die in that situation because “its fighting six robustos.” It dies because it’s fighting 6 people trying to do what the queen says while the rest of you continously makes excuses as why you’re better than helping out the drone.
It’s tired. It’s old. Not my problem. If you get banished after I repeat the same thing deadass 20 times in various manners, I’m not going to say it 21 times. I’m just going to banish you and get someone that doesn’t think they don’t have to do anything and will go help the drone. If everyone helps do a 5 minute task, others don’t die as often. I won’t say they (don’t die) because a base runner might still eat a pb and no one might drag him to weeds.
Your arguing point is disingious. Your problem is you want to play your way. If the queen wants to flank and has a plan, you can’t just listen to what she says. We gotta wait 10 minutes for the dudes that want to “do what they want” to listen to the queen, or they get banished and then surprise pikachu. I’m not going to say it 21 times, but I say it 20 so when I finally do get tired of telling the same 5 people to listen every round I can have staff pull the logs where I’m calling people specifically by name in hivemind, word of the queen, locally, in local, and in hive status where I am specifically ordering them to do something for 10 minutes straight where we wait at a flank so they have no wiggle room in the ahelp. Sound familiar? It should.
Yeah it sucks, but when you click that little join the hive button you are agreeing to abide by the rules.
You want free will? Play marine. You can disobey to some expect if you aren’t a spec/SL or above.
Queen sets her tempo and her strategies. You want to do something different? Roll queen, homie.
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doesn’t address the actual issue
doubles down on it with “my way or no way”
Toxic mentality at its finest and exactly the issue.
There’s plenty of people queening yet they do not feel the need to over-enforce like this. Perhaps look at other queen players and carefully study how they do not banish several people every single round, yet people still listen and things get done. Perhaps take a step back, look at your behavior in game both as queen and when you flame XXs as WAR and compare it to when you used to have fun and let people have fun without making the entire game about yourself.
Not gonna bother unpacking the entire toxic offtop spergout but
fighting bravoids on the LZ as a runner doesn’t equal fighting armorless robustos. Pretending fighting survs as a band of t1s is the same as fighting marines alongside t2s and t3s is ridiculous from someone with as many hours as you.
Must be a different game you’re playing as this is blatantly untrue. Similarly the chance to die significantly drops once everyone has hit t2 or baldies are not forced to do what they’re unfamiliar and uncomfortable with, but you choose to ignore this. Of course it also isn’t news to anyone familiar with CM that the best way to avoid dying to survs is to let robust players handle it, as they usually do and as is universally accepted. Also if you want to avoid people fighting them solo - like many other queens do - you can tell the surv hunters to group up somewhere first or wait for others, or simply not to fight them solo.
As you can see there’s many other, objectively better and long standing ways to deal with the issue. But obviously, you knew all this already yet still feel the need to force runners and drones to deal with incin slug wielding armorless gangs.
Don’t project. I said what the problem is. I usually get prime protag treatment and get to do whatever I want anyway so im mostly unaffected outside of blanket cavehug orders or when I talk back to you. Regarding the log pull all it proves is that I was only banished after raising the issue of you banishing the drone, despite the order being long standing. Had you cared about actually enforcing the order I would have been forced to do it way earlier and while yes I would likely have been unbanished had I listened, it does not change the fact that me not listening was not the prime cause of banishment but a convenient justification.
Maybe you should have applied this advice to yellows rounds instead of complaining about him. Didn’t wanna play with him? Why did you join? Why didn’t you ghost? lol
Not how it works. You don’t get to be a dick just cause you rolled queen, much like MPs dont have free reign to do whatever they want and tell people not to join rounds with them if they don’t like it.
Try to stay on topic or make an acid goop post if you really want to rant about how much you don’t enjoy queening anymore and how little patience do you have, not gonna go further offtop here.
No, I will not play like other people because I am not other people. Feel free to once again roll queen and sit at a choke all day if you want. Two, you do not tell me what to do. Yeah? Yeah.
I addressed the issue, you are dodging it, even more so when you straight up just skid around the issue. Take half hearted jabs if you want while not actually owning up to what you did while trying to play the victim. Others will let it slide, but erm not I.
“They are an XX!” Okay and? You can turn off your age and name, everyone knows this, everyone does this. Also, invalid excuse to not listen to the queen. You don’t get to turn off your age and name and act like you don’t have to listen to the queen. Next?
Did I say bravoids? Stop moving the goal post. I said fighting marines in general, just like you tried saying fighting survivors (IN GENERAL) is ordering you to suicide. Let’s keep the goal post right where it’s at and not shift it 50 feet down.
Or you’re just dreadfully unfamiliar with the game. Going as a group gives you better odds instead of just 2 people trying to handle the six survivors. Press WASD and play the game.
I’m not projecting, I just said what I read from you. “I don’t want to listen to the queen.” “I want to just run out and do whatever no matter what the queen has planned.” “Its not fair that I have to do stuff as a t1.” Did I miss anything? I don’t believe I did. But you just admitted it. Long standing order that is being disobeyed. Long standing order. That you admit to ignoring. Interesting.
I ghost when I don’t want to play. If you don’t want to play do the same. But you don’t get to act like you are above orders and try moving the goal post. I’ll tell you what is toxic, having to argue with the same 5 people every round about why they can’t get off their butts and help. Don’t know why you bother pressing join the hive if you don’t want to do anything.
You brought the subject up, you got called out on it, and now you wanna drop it.
Funny.
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you are perhaps the most insufferable and petty person ive had the displeasure of encountering online. that title used to belong to dor but hes mellowed out in the past few years
you need to relax bro this is a forum for a videogame you need to like. go in the sun for a few minutes
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I wish I could say I care about the opinion of a chronic griefer, but I don’t.
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atleast i make people laugh and have a good time
you just grief xenos by making everyone afk for 30 minutes and banish everyone who doesnt listen
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Usually I don’t wish to get into this kind of feuds but I’ll throw my opinion into this (literal acid goop now)
I think marines should be allowed to evac when they want to. Like hell if you lose half of your force to cave combat then why continue?
You lack proper gear, you have low morale on the troops (per last combat with CLF) and you are just on a patrol. Weyland Operates in this region so let them deal with the cleanup. We are only here to do a quick scout mission to see what’s going on. If we can clean it up or we should leave it to the next team. If we lose half of our force to literal bugs in caves and we don’t got the proper gear to push them. Why continue?
Xenos are fully capable of fighting 100 marines shipside with just 20 xenos. If evac is called roughly 40-50% of that force already evacs. Alot of marines use the escape pods or lifeboats which reduces the numbers by more than 50%. If you want to grind down the marines and not lose a comedical amount of xenos. Play tactically.
Use maints. They resemble the usage of caves and marines can’t use numbers in there without friendly firing each other. Can’t hold a maint region? Fallback to a ladder and grind down any marines that charge you. Set up defenses. Set up Hive weeds.
If xenos can cavehug without penalty and marines can cadehug without penalty. Why should either side be punished on deciding ‘Ya know what. Screw this im outta here!’.
This is just my hot opinion on this.
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This mindset is so dumb. First of all, assumption that it’s just a scout mission and there is no stakes whatsoever, let other deal with it comes from nowhere. And it should be emphasised somehow that this is not the case here. Because this mindset makes the game meaningless. If this was the case, best course of action from roleplay perspective would be deploy a little scout squad, recover survivors, realise it’s xenos, return to orbit and wait for reinforcements. In other words, don’t play the game.
Secondly, I am talking from a marine perspective. There is never a vote for marines to decide on evac. One single person decides when to evac (aCO). As marine I want to play, while I have no idea what aCO wants by doing early evac. Cheap shipside win to shit on xenos in OOC after the round end?
I am all for player control but having a person who can end my round early for no reason is not very cool. Even in regular SS13 if you call the shuttle early for no reason as a captain you’ll get bwoinked. Yeah there are different reasons to call the shuttle in regular SS13, but that’s not the point.
Overall, I want aCO to be discouraged from early evacs. There should be emphasis that it’s not just a scout mission with no stakes and that aCO shall be court martialed for refusing to reclaim the colony while having enough manpower. Again IRL commanders don’t recall an attack because «awww I lost twenty men guess we going home boys». You have your superiors watching you, you have your mission, it’s do or die.
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lmao
it is a reminder that evacuation is an immediate on a game level - loss for the marine side. It is AUTOMATICALLY a xeno minor, xeno major is just if they don’t get wiped out on the almayer
There is no marine victory, they deorbit and die. Evacuation after investment of an insane amount of funds, lives and supplies represents you almost certainly being demoted as a command member upon return to base- and once Xenos take the Almayer your career is certainly over even if you escape back to UA space after they execute you for the loss of an entire battalion.
to evacuate on an OOC level is to lose the game, so as a TDM thing, evacuating is to lose the match
to evacuate on an IC level is to probably lose your job at BEST, you’ve lost an insane amount of funds, men, equipment and credibility
it is not a small thing to do
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From an OCC level I believe it’s stated that the “events” of the operation end once the Marine evacuate (technically the moment before the xenos start the hijack), as from an in-universe perspective it is impossible for the xenomorphs to hijack a dropship and fly it up to a military warship with any degree of accuracy. The entire “xenos are hijacking” is more a meta event for gameplay purposes, ergo the events on the Almayer post-hijack are essentially a whacky alternative universe event that has no bearing on the lore.
If we are talking about the in-universe reasons for evacuation, the entire discussion becomes a RP discussion. I think it would be very justifiable for the Marines to evacuate, especially considering in universe we are essentially the ‘beer league’ running with suboptimal gear while understrength while trying to fight a massive xenomorph hive infestation.
The outcome rendered towards the Almayers CO could easily range from disgrace and discharge to being labelled a hero of the United Americas and becoming a household name. This could occur no matter if the marines win or lose. The very nature of roleplay leaves a lot of this up to interpretation and player agency.
What I believe is this, Marines are the aggressor force here. Which means they are assaulting the Xenomorphs. The Xenomorphs are the defending force they are holding and preparing for the assault from the marines. I believe Evac does not need a SOP because if a commander or Commanding officer sees that they are not going to win they should have every right to pull the marines out. In game we are not aware that xenomorphs can fly so when I call evac I look at it as I am pulling my marines out to wait for more reinforcements from High command. In world history there is times where a force has withdrawn because the commander realized they will not win that battle. This is putting a unnecessary restrictions on a game mechanic.