So obviously I’ve been playing a lot of SEA lately and I came across a problem I hadn’t really thought of before. While helping with the round-start req line we had this dude that was carrying his friend leap over the counter, run over to the ASRS pit, and toss his friend in. Normally this is a close and shut case, call over the MPs and get him charged with murder. That’s actually where the problem arose, we had no MP staff nor a CO and that’s interesting because nobody could legally arrest him. I had to go back and forth with an admin for a bit because nobody had the permissions to make an arrest, not me as the SEA, not the SO, not even the XO, literally nobody could make this arrest.
Eventually the admin did grant me the special permission to arrest him, but of course it was in no way an official solution. I ended up seriously just letting the mate off with 25 push ups, I was super lucky because as far as murder cases go it was super tame, his friend acted like it was a normal thing. But on top of it being a tame case I recognized that by putting him in brig I had the responsibility to ensure he was doing good in his cell at all times, and I have more important things to do like train new players. I worry though because if this was a serious case where a marine killed another marine out of cold blood and not a joke I wouldn’t of been able to do anything but sit there holding him in custody until an MP spawned in.
I did come up with a little solution in case this problem happens in the future. ML could state that in the absence of any MP personnel or the CO that any and all people that could be deputized automatically have the authority of a deputy. I think this would be a pretty fair solution but I’m obviously open to refinement. I do believe we need at least some kind of fix to this problem though.
If a manslaughter happens usually its ahelp, and for smaller incidents like this just ignore it, not worth the trouble. On many ocassions, just arrest the said person as XO or anyone with a skillset, i doubt admins will care. Done so many times. Game is not built for low pop and not having any admins online, sometimes you must do whetever you feel is right.
dont arrest them, deploy them to the front with no armor and a single magazine, with an electro pack on and watching them via overwatch if they retreat
The XO at the time was also threatening to order my arrest, once an MP got on of course, if I arrested the murderer because he said it would be “unlawful detainment” within Marine Law. I think that was more of a one off incident with the XO and all but, still an issue.
While helping with the round-start req line we had this dude that was carrying his friend leap over the counter, run over to the ASRS pit, and toss his friend in
this was me and it wasn’t a friend, it was a random marine I woke up next to
i pointed, said “you know, the Marine’s Handbook says there’s a box of HEFA grenades at the bottom of the ASRS, can you toss me in?”
he did it
true battlebuddy, but I was disappointed to report that there weren’t any HEFAs
(Nothing against you for acting IC, just wanted to share the funny story. Lucky i didnt get bwoinked tho im on thin ice for LRP)
Me and some other req mains know how to get to the bottom of ASRS without dying, issue is, you cannot plant C4 on the walls to access ASRS proper. we are still thinking of ideas.
That’s actually where the problem arose, we had no MP staff nor a CO and that’s interesting because nobody could legally arrest him.
If there is no MPs or CO but there is an XO, then the XO is legally able to arrest the Marine seeing as they are next on the Marine Law hierarchy list, just below deputized officers/synthetics and above the SEA
the issue with automatic deputizing is you risk John ASO/XO deciding they are Law Incarnate and brigging people for shit they have no idea about (because shocker, they have no MP hours)
it’s why I am also such an advocate for forcing XO to have an MP timelock, even if small.
Someone with absolutely zero ML knowledge or experience should not be able to pardon a CLF Agent because “he seems like a good guy”/”but he SAID he didn’t do all that terrorism”
and yet it STILL happens regularly, and yet they WON’T allow a timelock to be enforced because and I quote
"Timelocks are not a guarantee of competency in a role, and were not intended to be used as such. They were primarily implemented to dissuade low effort griefers taking high importance roles."
The acting Commanding Officer should be able to self-deputize, full-stop, end of story. The fact that on lowpop if you run in to CLF, the only correct thing for XOs to do is to essentially pretend they don’t exist because you are OOCly forbidden from fighting or arresting the literal terrorists on your ship is a massive ML oversight that keeps being brought up. Whether or not SEAs can detain them in the absence of CLF is kinda moot, because the vast majority of the time there is no SEA in these circumstances.
Someone close to Forest, please just tell this guy to add one little line to ML under deputizing:
In the absence of a Commanding Officer, the Commander may deputize themself to make arrests and enforce Marine Law.
Literally would solve so many common low pop problems that lead to messy ahelps and unnecessary notes.
