BE serves no real purpose other than letting CO players feel like they have power over marines. All it does is create problems and OOC hate for CO players who BE and is just generally way more trouble than it is worth. 99% of the BEs i have witnessed were for minor issues that could have easily just been dealt with by sending the player to brig. A lot of the time not even to permabrig but a CO being allowed to take a player out of the game permanently because of something mundane like being insulted is allowed cause whitelist I guess? Just seems stupid to me idk maybe I am missing something.
No I have never been BEād before and of course the first thing a CO does is start insulting me and not even trying to have an actual discussion. Egos as fragile as blades of grass.
BEās arenāt the issue, itās a lapse in judgment or a bad situation that a player has to deal with because someone wants to be a shitter but cries when they face the consequences.
Again, 99% of the BEs that I have witnessed were for rather minor reasons that IMO were super overkill and looking at marine law on them probably should not have even been valid BEs but staff and councilors side with the COs practically every time they are reported so I guess marine law is just wrong. All in all thereās firing squads for a reason and it gives the person time to make their case and not just be instantly removed from the round with no warning because a CO got their feelings hurt. Would also be fine with the CO getting a super taser of some kind instead to instantly detain someone if the issue is dealing with someone instantly.
I think I am at over 500+ BEās over the last 6 years.
We spawn with a taser. Donāt need it, nothing says ādont do thatā like a basketball sized hole in a marines chest with a beach ball sized exit wound out of his back.
This is just not how they are used in practice from what Iāve seen. In fact Iām not sure Iāve ever seen these conditions be brought up in a report verdict ever, like is there a single instance of a report being accepted with council saying āyou could have arrested that person instead of BEing themā? It seems pretty normal for COs to BE when brig is possible, I donāt perfectly remember every BE Iāve witnessed but I think most Iāve seen are people getting gunned down at briefing, and a lot of reports seem to be about that kind of thing as well. In fact I think itās incredibly rare to see a BE that fits your criteria. Saying to report it doesnāt work when it doesnāt seem to be a reportable thing in practice.
That said removing BEs is dumb, Iām not a fan of how they are used in certain instances but they can be and sometimes are used appropriately
EDIT:
I guess it is worth it to just ask. To council members, is whether or not someone could just be brigged instead of BEād actually taken into account when determining if a BE is valid? It doesnāt seem like it to me but if you say it is I will take your word for it, I donāt think youāre all liars or anything.
damn even staff are breaking forum rules shits crazy
anyway instead of removing BE how about just clarifying the rules (further than they already were) so people arenāt constantly reporting and getting reported for BEs because the marine law statement is purposefully vague.
I do appreciate that I personally dislike it when a Commander battlefield executes someone for something fairly mundane, even if they are allowed to do so, it feels very off-putting the idea that the Corps tolerates its officers literally executing soldiers.
Executing someone for refusing to follow an order or just talking back to a commander is something Iād associate with a totalitarian regime, not the successor to the United States Marines.
But, thatās more a issue of video game expediencies meets reality.
They do have power over marines though, and its a fairly good reminder of their power that they do have the ability to round-remove someone.
As someone who HAS gone over every reported BE done this year. Except the one I was involved in.
We absolutely have told a CO in the past that they could of arrested someone instead.
That being said in a lot of cases when we have logs pulled for a round (Which we do for every BE report given.) and handle investigation and gathering statements one of the first things we do look for IS if getting them arrested is practical depending on what theyāre doing/whatās going on.
The VAST majority of reports usually get ruled in favor of COās because of what @Bancrose said. You have to of done something to get BEād. The CO canāt just walk up and murder you with no cause. In general I feel like the OP of this thread shares the same issue as a lot of people in that they have a genuinely unrealistic expectation of personal accountability when realistically speaking itās extremely easy to not get BEād.
If in doubt feel free to report it. If you are you an an individual under the belief that the COās are protected by some sort of secret cabal in the council I would genuinely encourage you to get mental help.
Might as well just remove it from marine law entirely then and replace it with something like āBattlefield executions are at the sole discretion of the commanding officer if you feel your execution was unjust file a whitelist report here * link here *ā (would also be good to have this pop up in the playerās chat) rather than some vague bullshit that isnāt followed most of the time anyway.
Did you even read my reply Bancrose?
Really enjoy everyone instantly insulting me when I was just trying to have a discussion too. Really friendly community we have here.
Iām under the assumption youāve played or been in the community for less than 6 months overall, so I understand that it seems draconic in nature to see someone have the authority to straight up end someones round.
Its gotta be in Marine Law because it fits under executions, the Commander provisions before we wrote the CoC had a vast majority if not all of the COās power derived from Marine Law and therefore written on the Marine Law page. The CoC/SOP clarifications came later, and whilst it should be written there. You should be made aware that any and all whitelist roles can be reported easily on the forums. That includes when a CO Pardons, issues orders, or if you think they are griefing or otherwise negatively impacting the round through their role.
If you think you were unfairly executed through Marine Law, you could make a player report on that. The same logic applies to the Whitelisted COās battlefield execution.
Commanding officers have power over marinesā¦ theoreticallyā¦ as soon as marines deploy that power is instantly stripped away and is more of a suggestion than actually having power over them. Hell sometimes even when the commanding officer deploys to lead from the ground plenty of marines ignore their orders in favor of unga.
DismayingAxe has been battlefield executed for acting against the interests of the corps and this vessel by attempting to remove the BE function, such behaviour will not be tolerated on this ship.
Consider how this thread has ādevolvedā and nothing really constructive is being added.
It has been LOCKED.
(Management is welcome to override me if they think otherwise)
Side note:
Bad BEs are far and few, and it is usually new COs that tend to screw up a BE. Which I will say āNo shit, theyāre new - cut them some slackā.
