CallMeArty - Player Report: Ali Abdullah, Rule 2, Rule 3.

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CallMeArty - Player Report: Ali Abdullah, Rule 2, Rule 3.

What’s your BYOND key?

CallMeArty

Round ID:

17962

Your character name:

Naomi ‘Poacher’ Klein

Accused BYOND key:

Daythium

Accused character name:

Ali Abdullah

What rule(s) were broken?:

Rule 2, Rule 3.

Description of the incident:

Due to the extent of very many incidents over a lot of time, I will provide a bullet-pointed format for this report.

I was MP Naomi ‘Poacher’ Klein. My character has a lisp.
I was keeping an eye on the Req Line, when a marine alerted me to the CL asking for weapons from Alpha/Bravo prep.
I went to investigate, and personally witnessed the CL getting lethal magazines for their Mod 88, while wearing body armor. Just like two other cases where I warned a marine and allowed an explanation earlier that round, I asked them about it first, allowed them time to explain, and then warned them about the laws they were violating. The CL was shockingly disrespectful and felt they were above the law.

As this is an edge case - with no strict superior to allow a CL to deploy and bullets they weren’t authorized to have in a gun they were assigned - I made sure to ahelp the confusion in Marine Law as applied to a CL, and radio the rest of security.

The admin affirms a charge of Major Contraband. I update the CL’s security records, and see her on the dropship. I ask her to leave, she doesn’t, deploys.

Around this time, I’m goofing in the medbay with some other marines. Someone performed hooliganism, I warned them, cuffed them, and let them off with a minor and fun NJP.

This is when the CMP - Ali - begins insulting my character for my lisp. I mention I can’t fix it, they still insult me for it. Oh well.

The dropship returns with the CL. I wait for them to leave surgery, and let them know about their arrest. During this medbay incident, we had some hugged marines who needed attention . . . while the CMP Ali was calling one of the doctors a ‘pussy’, shoving them, and handcuffing them. This led to a marine shooting a window open to get the distracted medical personnel’s attention.

The CMP disagreed with my arresting the CL, as I had them grabbed and ready to be moved. They again make fun of my character’s lisp. I explain the charges repeatedly, and then leave to process the CL for their verifiable crimes.

In the brig, the CL attempts to flee, I get them back into the brig. The CMP arrives, and tells me to have a word with him and drop the CL. I refuse . . . because I’m in the middle of booking them. Thusly - despite the CMP not relenting and after I stated we have nobody to watch them - I call the Warden to process the arrest. After the Warden arrived, the CMP continued to insult me personally, and then threaten to ‘crack my skull’ (assault under Marine Law). The CMP then uncuffs the CL.

The Warden arrives, the CL and CMP leave to speak to eachother, and the Warden advises I contact the Major about the incident. I get to them, explain the issue, and we all go through the process together. The CL was returned to the medbay, where I arrived to discover her arrest status was removed.

During the complaint process with the captain, the CMP stated 'What was she marked for, anyways?" despite my having repeatedly stated her crimes and updated her record.

In short, my issues are that a high-ranking member of command and security both performed IC harassment of a subordinate’s medical disability repeatedly, showed ignorance of marine law and procedure by interrupting an arrest procedure and removing handcuffs before ascertaining what crime had been committed, broke marine law by committing (verbal) assault, and undermined their authority and reputation by harassing medical and security personnel.

All of this culminated in confusing an already confusing arrest, and taking the Major away from their very busy role in the CIC to try and settle their unprofessionalism. In summary: a complete and utter failure to perform the role of Chief of Military Police.

Evidence:

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Hi there!

I was playing Veronika Modlinskaya. I would simply like to point out a couple things.

Firstly, it seems wrong to me to place the charge of major contraband on a civilian only carrying sidearms into a potentially hostile environment. I got my weapons at round start, with the intention of deploying on first drop, which I did, and, as Corporate Liaison, do not need any USCM clearance on. I’m genuinely interested to see the exchange between you and the admin in the ahelp to know their ruling and the verbiage you used that brought it about, especially considering the new change where the CL starts with a stungun rather than rubber bullets.

Secondly, the following statement from the above is false:

“The dropship returns with the CL. I wait for them to leave surgery, and let them know about their arrest.”

I had just arrived, directly from the planet, having suffered severe injuries due to my protection detail being insufficient in number combined with an ambush of lurkers, and went straight to the medbay ORs for treatment. However, as I was telling the doctors to treat me, MP Naomi outright tried to arrest me, PRIOR to treatment, not after, as the player has stated.

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These replies are for the sake of extrapolating my thought process, and not with the intent of strictly denouncing Anneiv’s own testimony nor “getting ahead” of any admin ruling that will come later.

As a quick additional detail: I operate on both IC and OOC information. I’m not ghosting in another client to be a super-cop, but I am aware that the people I’m putting in jail are fellow players trying to have a fun game, hence why either this round or the next I specified to a marine who I had seen in previous rounds without armor “I don’t care and can’t act on if you take the armor off the moment you touch groundside, but rules say you wear it on the ship”.

Firstly, it seems wrong to me to place the charge of major contraband on a civilian only carrying sidearms into a potentially hostile environment

The original charges I was aiming to apply were Failure to Follow procedure

Standard issue equipment is defined as any military uniform, armor, weapon or accessory personnel may find in their crew locker, as well as those they emerge from cryosleep with and any equipment normally available for issue by the Requisitions Department.

(Standard Issue Equipment: Mod 88 with AP rounds)

Authorized Weapons may be carried by deploying marines (any standard issue weapon or weapon ordered from requisitions), security (non-lethals and sidearms only, not riot gear such as beanbags) and any personnel issued with a weapon upon the start of an operation.

( Authorized Weapons - Code Restrictions: Mod 88 with AP rounds)

and Unauthorized Deployment

To deploy into the area of operations without permission of the relevant head of department or Commander where appropriate whilst still performing assigned duties. (I.E A doctor deploying without permission, with the intentions to perform field surgery.) Deploying without intent to perform assigned duties remains desertion.

IC: We were short any senior command staff, and I was told by a marine that a civilian who could not have had a non-existent commander’s permission was grabbing lethal ammunition on code green with no formalized assignment of an honor guard, meaning they would die alone or pull marines with either bribes or manipulation, distracting from the mission. When asked about this, I was simply told they “did not need permission” and “the mission is classified and above me”, which further means I couldn’t affirm they were actually doing their job to act as the mediator between the USCM and W-Y. . . groundside . . . away from a fax machine or command and their office.
OOC: Some moron was playing a snootier version of IO where they had to get THE INTEL in a way that did not actually contribute to the game, distracted from the mission, and might pull marines from what they are meant to do, in addition to going into combat with poor combat skills. Upon seeing that they didn’t even have the pistol in a belt, I assumed they were a newer/less serious player who wasn’t in it for the roleplay, or at least good roleplay.

I got my weapons at round start, with the intention of deploying on first drop, which I did, and, as Corporate Liaison, do not need any USCM clearance on. I’m genuinely interested to see the exchange between you and the admin in the ahelp to know their ruling and the verbiage you used that brought it about, especially considering the new change where the CL starts with a stungun rather than rubber bullets.

As-for not needing USCM clearance: Frequent rules clarifications have made it clear that there is no The Company:tm: pass. CLs can still catch Crime Against Humanity Charges, DASO, and similar.

The UCMJ applies to all personnel in the vicinity of a USCM Operation or onboard a USCM ship; this includes the Commander, Chief MP, UPP, Freelancers, PMC’s, other factions and organizations. The only exceptions are specially dispatched officials from High Command or the Provost Marshal Office and Diplomatically Immune Company Executives (not the onboard Liaison).

(Marine Law - Application)

While I can’t remember the admin’s name and my exact wording, I was clear in my confusion that the CL was a special case and had no direct superior while still being subject to Marine Law and the Commander. They suggested Major Contraband, which fit the bill. If I recall correctly, they did however shoot down Unauthorized Deployment.

Possessing unauthorized items, weapons, or controlled substances from the ship that are not authorized.

Again: I was told about, and watched someone asking marines to give them weapons and equipment their ID did not let them have because they did not have them from the start. That much was straight-forward. The issue was with the lack of clarity on how far the CL’s special case extended.

I had just arrived, directly from the planet, having suffered severe injuries due to my protection detail being insufficient in number combined with an ambush of lurkers, and went straight to the medbay ORs for treatment. However, as I was telling the doctors to treat me, MP Naomi outright tried to arrest me, PRIOR to treatment, not after, as the player has stated.

Should my memory serve, I entered the medbay as the CMP was harassing another doctor, and made it clear I was there to arrest you. I made no attempt to arrest until you began running around one of the sets of tables and loudly protesting. I assumed you had already received treatment as - again, day-old memory - you had left the surgical room to do this. In the case that you still needed help, there’s a surgery bay in the brig.
IC: If they’re well-enough to resist arrest and run laps, they’re well enough to be arrested, and this one already escaped once while swearing at me repeatedly.
OOC: A LRP player was making a fuss while still insulting and harassing me and flaunting non-existent corporate immunity from the consequences of making other player’s jobs harder. I had no reason to play along and humor them when they already pulled the classic “I’m going to run onto the dropship and rely on people’s urge to grief you to protect me from being a troll.”

The reason I took pains to respond to all of this despite it having nothing to do with Ali Abdullah - the subject of the report - is because I was actively updating Veronika’s security records with charges and explanations throughout the round, and was putting thought into each charge I applied beyond “I wanna bully the CL” and “this charge sounds right but I’m too busy to check for rule clarifications”. Though through a lisp, I was making sure there was a record and radio chatter (hard to update when handling someone actively running around and escaping) so that my intent and aims were clear to the rest of my department.

Despite all of that, CMP Abdullah still ignored all of these records and likely didn’t even read my notes, despite witnessing some of the events and trying to pull the tough-guy act to force other players to stop their gameplay to engage in their fantasy. A CL being problematic can be flashed, cuffed, and brigged easily enough. A CMP acting similarly can bring bad reputation to the whole department, disrupt other’s plays, prolong poor behavior, and even punish going out of your way to update the department and leave a paper trail because why bother?

As a final note: Anneiv actively made the round less fun to play. It’s the difference in the impact of a civilian with no real power doing that and a senior departmental lead doing so that earned Daythium the report, and not Anneiv.

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Hey there!

At this point, I’d suggest making a separate player report.

However, I see some heavy flaws here so I will correct them for clarity.

To start, please take note of the below:

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As you can see, the ‘spirit of the law’ suggests the employment of common sense in decision making. If someone is equipping weapons, with the clearly stated intention of deployment, then it would be absurd to arrest them for contraband or FTFP. The intention was not to tote guns around the ship; it was to not be totally vulnerable in a potentially hostile environment.

Expounding on said environment and the notion of permission to deploy, I assure you that said permission is simply unnecessary. CLs deploy all the time. They are free to come and go as they please. It would be nice of them to send a fax to the Company, perhaps, but that is simple a courtesy and not required at all. They are also never assigned honor guards, as that is a privilege reserved for deploying command staff. As for my groundside mission, I was deploying to retrieve a pinpointer which leads to a nuclear code disk which, naturally, would be of interest to the Company. Rather than being a ‘moron playing a snootier version of IO,’ I was trying to create some groundside RP for myself and Company loyalists to go above and beyond to impress the Director. Sitting next to a fax machine is, simply put, boring.

Also, the CL is outside of the command structure, which allows for this unique capability, as well as immunity to such crimes as DASO or Insubordination. A CL is free to disrespect anyone on the ship, including the Major themself, as it is not their superior officer. They are indeed subject to marine law, but, naturally, there will be exceptions.

Getting back to the true player report at hand and considering the above points, the CMP’s behavior is quite reasonable in reaction to your unreasonable behavior. Clearly, the CMP saw the difference between the spirit and the letter of the law, which, unfortunately, you did not, hence his intervention. If you yourself defied his direct orders while processing me, then that is insubordination and thus a crime. It is clear why he would be quite frustrated, as, if I recall correctly, he attempted to stop your arrest all the way back in the medbay, yet you still brought me to the brig. The logs would clear things up, for sure.

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Hey CMP here, I would like to note, that Arty, was already told to just drop the topic BEFORE she arrested the CL, in the medbay Post deployment. She asked over MP radio what to do in regards to the CL deploying, I told her to “drop it” and didn’t receive a response so I assumed that all was well in that regard. But later, I walked in on her arresting the CL. She responded but quite frankly I don’t understand what she said at first, but I eventually deciphered the lisps. I told her to let it go, while still in medbay lobby. she just walked off to brig, when inside brig I told her to stop but she continued to process the CL. I got the CL down onto a chair and decided to uncuff the CL, and let them leave, but the CL decided to stay to speak to me. I talked to the CL about it in my office, apologized for Arty actions, and escorted her to medbay. Previously the CO asked if Arty could go with them ground side. I approved, and while in medbay, treating the CL the CO and arty came to speak to me in an attempt at conflict resolution, it effectively concluded in telling us both to drop it. and we did, except for one small radio argument. after that, I was captured by a squadron of riot police for something? they cited tax fraud, and a marshal of some kind at the ERT station told me to “show my love for the corps” and handed me a loaded gun. I assumed this meant commit suicide so I just went along with it, and did so. I’m relatively sure that Arty faxed the provost and this was an admins way of IC punishments.

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She asked over MP radio what to do in regards to the CL deploying, I told her to “drop it” and didn’t receive a response so I assumed that all was well in that regard.

MPs cannot ignore Major Crimes. Therefore, I could have ignored Failure to Follow Procedure, but not an Unauthorized Deployment or Major Contraband.

From the medbay to brig, I was in the middle of a lawful arrest.
Best case for me stopping: we clear the air further than I already did and continue it.
Worst case: I extend a player’s three-minute-walk-and-two-minute-processing-plus-fifteen-minute-charge to most of half an hour because I had to explain something repeatedly.

Without verifying anything, the CL was uncuffed, and unmarked as wanted multiple times.

I did not write a fax, but @Taketheshot56 and another admin recommended I do so. I let them know I was busy writing this report and would not have time.

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I would like to inform you, the CL doesn’t need authorization to deploy, and as I already mentioned it is within the spirit of the law to require a firearm to deploy.

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Hey there! I was the CO, and I would like to explain my decision regarding the incident briefly since there are already tons of words for admins to read and understand.

I remember listening to both sides for at least 10 minutes and making a final decision.

The arrest of CL, who was carrying a gun on green alert, by MP was not an illegal arrest for me. However, I have confirmed by both MP and CL that CL intended to deploy, and since she had no criminal record to prevent her from carrying that gun, I ordered that CL’s charges be dropped and MP not be demoted as it was a legal arrest.

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Right, you are speaking authoritatively: I get that. I made a shitton of mistakes when I used to play CMP, its why I was one of the people constantly marking-up our current version of Marine Law when it was drafted specifically to idiot-proof it from people like myself. Though many of my addendums mentioning specific edge-cases didn’t make the cut, much of their spirit and implications remain.

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The CL is an anyone. This can be debated, but there is positively no room to debate that my interpretation is positively valid. Again: this was what informed the Failure to Follow Procedure charge.

Therefore, it would make sense to arm someone if they were going into combat, like the Combat Correspondent, who also has armor and a helmet. It makes sense to give doctors and MTs (who also need permission, despite obviously contributing services and value to the round) a sidearm in case the protection of barricades and other marines isn’t sufficient for LZ-work.

The CL –

  • Who is a civilian
  • Who is untrained for combat
  • Who was wearing only a skirt and a bulletproof vest for protection
  • Who didn’t even bring a pistol belt
  • Who cannot be replaced by anyone else on the ship (same reason we don’t send department heads down with a single exception)
  • Who we suck up to anyways so we look good to the company (now imagine we have to explain that we lost their executive)
  • Who was deploying to do "top secret classified missions for The Company (what PMCs and Mercs trained to fight and navigate combat scenarios are for) and not send faxes/foster relations (their job)

– had no excuse or valid reason to deploy, IC or OOCly (just play an IO who’s doing this to make yourself look good and get a job as Senior Intelligence Consultant or w/e). The “spirit of the law” does not apply to invalid situations that shouldn’t exist in the first place (A doctor should have a rifle if they are going to assault the Hive with Delta. A doctor should not be assaulting the Hive with Delta.), and should not be used in cases where gut-feelings or opinions convince you to ignore major crimes. I showed caution, the CMP showed indifference, the CL showed utter disrespect for their role, and we were rewarded with our “in” to the company returning broken and injured.

As the MP’s duty is to keep the ship running without chaos breaking out, I again state that the purpose of this report is to criticize that a CMP’s behavior disrupted medical by harassing medical personnel while there were hugged and injured shipside, disrupted the proper operation of their own department and the arrest process, and took the Commander away from the head of an ugly operation in order to resolve their abrasive behavior and irresponsible actions.

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Before we pull logs I need to confirm was a IC provost used in regards for all this.

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I did not submit a fax (as detailed above: I prioritized the player report over fax, and the round went South before I could send a fax out. I let the staff in ahelps know as much) nor see a “provost” specifically, but there were Riot Police during hijack.

One pointed to me and told me I was under arrest, we were interrupted by the “collision imminent” announcement, and chose to ignore them in favor of continuing to escort a Staff Officer to pods. I narrowly rescued the lieutenant from a bad encounter with a warrior, and we left in an escape pod without another encounter with higher law.

Suffice to say if there was an IC handling of this issue: Ali’s suicide, my escape, and the aliens’ arrival likely weren’t part of the intended process.

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“Bump”

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Staff have pulled some logs and there was in-character intervention sent by staff that never got finished with the CMP.

With our policy we generally discourage double jeopardy, by punishing players both in and out of game.

In regards to the hostile/insulting RP, we only take action if it goes over the top, or outright slurs. I think from the screenshots posted its borderline fringe in this case.

I’m going to say in the future send a LOOC and say “Yo chill out please with the lisp insults.” and if it continues we would take action on that.

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