Drakyry - Staff Report: Enforcement Action Taken - Thespy24574

Drakyry - Staff Report: Enforcement Action Taken - Thespy24574

What’s your BYOND key:

Drakyry

Round ID:

24207

Your character name:

Mike Goldberg

Their BYOND key:

Thespy24574

What are you reporting?:

Enforcement Action Taken

Description of the incident:

Late joined as an MT. Went down to FOB with the nuke. Xenos were in the caves at the time somewhere and i also saw chatter on the engi channel about CE being instructed to repair LZ1 comms (fob was lz2), so I went there to help him repair it. Came up upon a dead synth near the tower with some marines around it, escorted it to FOB, went back for the comms tower, killed a lower drone on the way. I think the xenos have maneuvered into the rough area by that time in a desperate attempt to stop the nuke but im not sure.

As soon as i killed the drone got accused by an admeme for “pushing” and after like 20 minutes of conversation, banned.

my argument is that I shouldn’t have been banned and there was no violation of the rules on my part. MTs have always been allowed to maintain comms towers, especially with the nuke deployed, it was not my intention to push anyone, as far as i could tell the comms tower was clear of enemy threat, indeed i had no armour and no weapons and the only xenomorph that i saw up close was a lower drone which i’ve promptly killed. the fact that a lower drone stumbled into my way does not equate to “pushing” whatever the hell that means

I’ve originally planned to make this a ban appeal, but having written the description i’ve learned that apparently u can no longer appeal bans with the length of 24 hours or less so here i am

Evidence:

I dont have any, check the logs i guess.

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Heyo, Its’ me thespy24574 and here is my side of the situation;

I was not logged in for most of the round but I logged in nearing the end of this round and went to the ground to see what was happening. I was observing then I noticed you without any armor, ranged weapon of any sort, holding a melee weapon at LZ1 Telecoms. So I decided to observe your actions until the time I PMed.

Before I had interacted with you, you had moved to the telecoms located at LZ2 telecom dome with CE after you helped the synth who died nearby get to FOB. Where you said the following:

Mike Goldberg [1]: QUEEN NEARBY (AREA: Communications Relay)
Mike Goldberg [Engi]: I REPEAT THE QUEEN IS FLANKING YGGDRASSIL (AREA: North T-Comms Road)
Mike Goldberg [Engi]: QUEEN YGGDRASSIL

And proceeded to run outside of the cadeline of LZ2 telecom dome with ZERO GEAR outside of a melee weapon, and run towards nexus, and eventually LZ1 telecom array. Killing a lesser drone with said melee weapon:

(Mike Goldberg) attacked (Lesser Drone (669)) with M2132 machete in the Main Hallway
(Mike Goldberg) attacked(Lesser Drone (669)) with M2132 machete in the Main Hallway

This is when I decided to intervene as you were now very much alone and pushing towards LZ1 telecom array with zero gear/armor, zero weaponry outside of a machete, and no marine support with you.

You then linked up with a mixed squad of marines, primarily delta, and decided to help them by pushing straight into the very weeded area even getting accidentally shot twice by a fellow marine

ATTACK: (Michael Fitzgerald) shot (Mike Goldberg) with an armor-piercing rifle bullet from a M41A pulse rifle MK2 (Wielded) in the Eastern Jungle

At this point I already PMed you, yet you still pushed but got accidentally shot (for the final time) before backing off to continue our conversation which lead to your ban. Of which was a hard decision, Normally this would have been a warning/note but your continual assertion you were correct and arguing lead to the outcome as we see now.

I actually wasn’t on my second journey to the lz1 comms. You’ve messaged me around the time I’ve killed a lower drone in the northern nexus hallway where I got walking from the engineering through the south nexus entrance. I was surrounded by marines at least since entering the nexus. And indeed the territory of the colony proper was already safe by that time

I obviously cant know for sure since i couldnt observe the round by my understanding is that by the time of these events the hive had been broken apart and marines were just chasing the delayliens around the colony ,which is how those marine wound up first near lz1 when we’ve found the synth and then inside the nexus where i got the ban message.

as far as I can see, if your argument for the ban is that i was playing unsafely as a civilian role, then it just doesnt hold any water

For clarification; when you killed the lesser drone you were infact alone and soon as you killed the lesser drone I started to write my PM message. By the time I wrote it (I had the greatest fumbles of typing ever for about 5 whole seconds) you managed to link up with the marines I mentioned in my first reply here.

  • So yes, You were infact very much alone by the time I started to PM you.

Regardless of the outcome of the situation, Non Combat Marines should not be in combat unless absolutely needed. And even then they are often required to still do their job but not at the frontline which, from that time of watching and writing my first PM message, was at LZ1 telecoms. Exactly where YOU were at.

Also, backliners exist, no where is declared safe unless it is fully surrounded by cade lines/walls. Unless transiting, You really should not be outside the, very literal, “wire” of the cade line at FOB/telecoms.


One more thing I would once more emphasize the utter lack of combat equipment you had during this deployment with nuke. Deployment with nuke is no small thing, and deploying to protect it/FOB without combat equipment is essentially suicide with not at all helping to defend the nuke. which was the whole point of you being down there in the first place.

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To be fair, I have had equipment. A whole machete pouch with a machete inside. And as you could see that was sufficient enough for me to have managed to avoid getting a single scratch on my body despite what you allege to have been my attempts at “pushing” the enemy and despite having managed to kill a whole lesser drone (which, if my memory serves me right, pushed towards me FIRST, so it was pure self-defence (i actually hate killing lessers, too low of a hanging fruit))

Your “equipment” was as follows:

  • Pumpkin helmet
  • MT Jumpsuit (unsure if you had webbing)
  • You either had a high vis jacket or nothing for outer attire (I dont recall a flak jacket or anything of that sort)
  • Engineering toolbelt
  • Engineering pouch
  • Machete Pouch
  • Satchel
  • marine boots with boot knife

And thats’ it. Hardly ANY equipment for a combat situation, much less for defending a nuke. The Machete should be sufficient in defense against the weakest of opponents which the lesser drone is in fact the weakest. But against a regular drone? Sentinel? Lurker? It wouldn’t even be a contest to see if you’ll survive the morning.

And about the part of it being self defense? The lesser was hanging around nexus, spotted you walking towards it (around the central gold pillar) and decided to attack. You backed up, pulled out your machete and consequently killed it in a single hit of the weapon. And then you decided to continue on your path, where I described earlier, was LZ1 telecoms where the entire hive was and where you linked up with several marines and que my previous statements

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yes, but like i said i had a party of like 5 marines on my back. I also didn’t know the hive was at the lz tower. Like i said when I had just landed on the planet, maybe about 5 minures before i killed that drone, the hive, as far as i could tell from the comms, was in the caves. Then, when thequeen must have received the notification about the nuke (do they even get the notification when it lands if the countdown hadn’t been started yet), they did appear in the colony proper (this was when i had reported her presence near the Yggdrassil having heard her steps), but knowing that the xenos are somewhere in the colony gave me no information that they were hanging around the tower. You’ve messaged me before i’ve even entered the cargo bay north of lz1 and i’ve never seen the tower itself through that round.

Of course if i had reached the tower and saw any number of xenos (i’ve only seen that lower drone throughout that mission), let alone the queen (or if i had even heard the queen NEAR THE TOWER), i would have backed up, but at the time when i had killed that drone and had received your message I had felt that the general area around the comms 1 tower was safe, and even if it wasn’t, with the marines at my back I would have been able to safely back up from it.

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I wish to not bloat the staff report anymore, I recommend ceasing replying and awaiting a verdict.

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Thank you so much for this, you have no idea how tired i was typing that last post down…

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Hi Drakyry and all,

I apologize for the delay in this report. The round this event occurred was actually 24208, and after scouring the logs I think I have a good handled on the situation. First, let’s cover the baseline rules we’re interacting within.


Nuclear Protocol

In the event of nuclear ordnance being deployed in the AO all personnel are authorized to deploy to the FOB to protect it during countdown, overriding departmental SOPs preventing deployments.

  • The Commander may order personnel to remain aboard the ship at their discretion during Nuclear Protocols.
  • This does not allow prisoners to be deployed.

It is important to note that “Nuclear Protocol” is found in CM’s “Standard Operating Procedures,” not the rules. Maintenance technicians have no OOC requirements to adhere to SOP whatsoever; that obligation is reserved solely for those with mandatory obedience (because to break SOP is to break marine law), and for COs, XOs, and aCOs when it comes to the Non-Modifiable Standard Operating Proceedure. So, in short, we can throw out “Nuclear Protocol” as a basis for this discussion.

Onto the rules in which this incident may revolve around:


Clause within Rule 2: Roleplay

  • Shipside Crew, where authorised to deploy, must remain in secure areas, and must fulfil their role: -Maintenance Technicians should be aiding in FOB construction, or securing areas close to the FOB. -Doctors are not to be combat medics running into danger to pull wounded or dead marines out of combat. -The Combat Correspondent should be documenting the fighting, and should disengage if attacked by hostiles.

Clause within Rule 8: Use your Slot

  • You are expected to use your slot, and act appropriately as your role. Every role has a function, and the player taking the role is expected to fulfill it. If you have work to do that your job is expected to do, ignoring it to engage in other tasks violates this rule. Furthermore, wasting your slot - such as by suicide or logging out inappropriately - is punishable as you are removing a slot another player could be playing as correctly.

This incident is not one-dimensional, so let’s cover each aspect of it briefly. You were not following the above Rule 2: Roleplay clause: you ran all the way to the opposing LZ from the FOB. The distant comms outpost is not an area close to the FOB.

You were not breaking Rule 8: Use your Slot. I don’t know how this discussion got reduced to arguing over carried equipment, since that’s relatively immaterial, but it does indicate that you were not attempting to be a rifleman. This kind of report can easily get lost in the weeds, and while I understand details are important, they’re not that important here. The damage he did take, he took from marines, so I don’t necessarily see how his lack of combat equipment can be paralleled to Rule 8’s suicide rule. While it’s important to not be “result oriented,” that is, focused solely on the outcome of an event in judging its merits, it seems a stretch to suggest his actions were paramount to suicide.

You were not in violation of Rule 3: Community Expectations. You disagreed with thespy’s assessment of the situation and commented on the delay of the round. I don’t believe you were rude in private messages or anything like that. Delaying rounds to address tickets often creates tension that players may not fully understand, but that lack of understanding is not the players’ fault.


To summarize:

  • Objectively Rule 2 was broken. The language of the rule was not followed.

  • Subjectively Rule 8 was not broken. It doesn’t appear as though you were neglecting your role or otherwise not trying to act as your role. You had the tools and equipment expected of your role, and it appeared as though you were trying to engage in the mechanical tasks expected of the position, if not in the rule-appropriate locations.

  • Subjectively Rule 3 was not broken. I do not think that you were being rude to any degree which transgresses Rule 3.

This staff report is approved. While the ban is long since expired, I will be removing the ban for Rule 3 and 8, and replacing it with a note for Rule 2. As with all accepted staff reports, I will also bring this up with the staff member in question.

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