Clearly a mechanic written by someone who doesn’t understand the meat science of human anatomy.
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I feel like there may be a need for some kind of a RP standard document for marines as to how to deal with the preds and it should be all or nothing on terms like “Jamaican” and other stuff like metaing the honor code.
Like the entire maicer cord went REEE over that one announcement I made as a CO recently, but the real problem is that it’s hard to structure interactions with them in a realistic non-meta RP way.
I usually go "first contact’ with the preds. Then when the first pred is seen like 50 people go Jamaicans-Jamiacans Dreadlocks-Dreadlocks and if you’re RPing first contact, you actually have no IC reason to not use such terms. You don’t know what preds are, but the other people apparently do, so you inevitably have to go “PFC what’s a Jamaican?” Otherwise it just gets too awkward. And from the marine command IC point of view, you can’t really crack down on such terms IC, unless you can cite some kind of SOP paragraph 611b “The appropriate terminology to refer to as of yet unknown hostile humanoid alien species”.
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He’s right you know
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i love when people try to “first contact” roleplay but then fail immedietely after saying jamaicans. Wait you saw a jamaican on the field? damn bro no shit, we could have jamaican marines. that would be everyone’s first thought when a guy says “jamaican jamaican we got jamaicers!” since its first contact, nobody would fucking know what the guy meant by saying “jamaican”, if you know then you are using OOC knowledge. atleast other terms like cloakers make more sense, who else would be a cloaker? you only have the UPP or your scout, having plausible explanation which allows marines who didn’t see anything yet could still be aware of potential UPP commandos as a potential hostile force.
DONT GET ME STARTED ON PEOPLE WHO USED OWLF UNDER THEIR NICKNAME, YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT THEM.
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Way to miss the forest for the trees. The problem is that if you don’t know what preds are and you hear other marines referring to them as “Jamaicans”, what’s stopping you from going “oh, so that’s the slang vets use for those aliens, I’m gonna use that too now?!” You think marines have less than toddler IQ and can’t learn basic word to object associations?
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“those aliens” what part of first contact don’t you understand? how do you know what they meant by jamaican? xeno first contact names made sense, red dog cannot be mistaken for something else because there is no such thing as a red dog. So when someone says “red dog red dog!” you clearly know its some kind of a creature you never knew about. When someone says jamaican and you dont know anything about preds, you first thought wouldn’t be “oh yeah its those humanoid aliens” that’s meta as fuck. So if someone says “jamaican” with no additional descriptors or anything, you cannot immedietely know there are preds in a round because for all we know, they could be talking about actual humans since the marine who called out preds didn’t explain shit other than saying their nickname (which is 90% of the time when someone says jamaican, they don’t describe anything, they just say the nickname). Nothing is stopping you from saying more words to atleast make it sense for others listening on radio. If you want to say jamaican then you will have to explain it more on what you meant by that so marines on the radio can comprehend what you meant ICly without them needing to explain it themselves OOCly through community culture. Sure its an acceptable nickname but compared to other nicknames it requires some explaining to someone who knows fuckall about them. even saying only predator is a better descriptor to a marine who hasn’t encountered them as they can atleast comprehend, hm yes its clearly a creature that is hunting us down, that’s what predators (as in animals) do.
I see rumors,stories,legends merely a bypass to first contact rules where first contact might as well not exist. known contact doesn’t make your marine suddenly know everything about them, but they know that they exist and what they do, which is how most people act like right now. “dont shoot them” “ignore them” “stay away” ah yes dont shoot the clearly obvious creatures wearing human bones as clothing attire, that doesn’t sound like first contact roleplay to me. that shit would be shoot on sight, you’re marines you wouldn’t be scared of shooting some humanoid fuck if you’re dealing with xenomorphs who are clearly more threatening to your entire platoon than 1 single humanoid enemy (yes preds are in reality more threatening but how would you know that if you never encountered them before, what exactly is ICly preventing you from shooting them?)
tldr feedback: first contact clearly isnt working if people aren’t taking effort in roleplaying that way. You could make it known contact the next day and nothing would change unironically because that’s how most people play like it nowadays.
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Dude, that’s one way to write a lot of words, while avoiding ever acknowledging my point.
You’re right, I do not know what they mean by “Jamaican” when the other marines say it. But that does not change a thing here. Because when I hear “Jamaicans at X”, I go to X and see a predator. Then I go “oh, so those aliens have dreadlocks, that’s why the other marines keep calling them Jamaicans, I see now!”
So, the problem is that by the time the 2nd person is using the word “Jamaican”, it becomes a legitimate term. And a person can just go:
-CPL Hicks why are you calling them Jamaicans?
-Sir, that’s what PFC Frost called 'em.
Then, since there’s no first contact rule, when you ask PFC Frost:
-Oh, sir I’ve spent 3 months with the 24th Battalion on LV-3151471 and those things were hunting us. We’ve managed to kill one by tripping it on a tripwire and using a sentry flamer. PVT Hudson saw the body and started calling them “Jamaicans” because of the dreadlocks. Then they skinned him alive.
Thus I’m suggesting that “Jamaican” and whatever other terms deemed LRP should either be banned OOC or explicitly allowed and people should stop complaining about them, because the IC grounds for not using or banning them(as command) are really lacking.
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Again with this “Jamaican is bad” shit. This time with new spin that it is “illogical” instead of usual “RACIST!”.
You have to RP a brain damaged marine to consider IC’ly that other rines screaming on comms “Jamaicans are here” would ever want to report a bunch of rasta dudes smoking weed on the colony, or whatever stereotype you might belive in.
Every single CM round is a combat encounter, be it with xenos, or hostile humans, preds are spotted and reported after xenos are basically always.
When somebody screams in your ear “Jamaicans are here” during combat operation with confirmed hostile xenomorphs, the least you can reasonably think at that moment is a new strain of xenos you never even heard before with power about T3 xeno caste, or even stronger.
Then you go to the reported location wanted to help marines face this new xeno threat, only to be greeted by >2 meters tall masked humanoids with something dandling from their head looking like dreadlocks hair.
No, “cloaker” doesn’t make fucking sense, preds aren’t cloaked 24/7, Lurker cloaks too.
There is no other single defining atribute for all predators. What they all share besides dreadlocks? They walk with bare feet and have claws instead of fingernails? Time to call them “clawers”? They wear braces? Time to call them “fashion models”? They wear fishnets? Time to call them “male strippers”? Masks? “Masked-ones” sounds cool, but when RPing marine with brain damage won’t you get the first thought buzzing trough your empty head that “masked-ones” might mean colonists wearing surgical masks, or dancers during exotic carnival?
I call them “Mutants” in relation to trying to RP seeing everything trough C&C lens, them being big kinda reminds me “Forgotten Mutant Squad” from TW3, so I go saying that I know their origin and I was thought it by Kane. This origin being 1 to 1 Forgotten lore, where I say that preds went into self-imposed excile into the “Red Zones” of the galaxy after their leader “Tratos” was executed and they come from the “Forgotten tribe”.
Sure, it sometimes gets me killed because some pred players take “mutant” as offensive term equal to “motherfucker”, or whatever.
Sometimes I call them “tribals” too, or even combine it to “mutated tribals”.
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“You have to RP a brain damaged marine to consider IC’ly that other rines screaming on comms “Jamaicans are here” would ever want to report a bunch of rasta dudes smoking weed on the colony, or whatever stereotype you might belive in.”
this goes both ways, you would have to think the marine talking about jamaicans while in a bumfuck nowhere planet in the outer rim is the one brain damaged.
first contact with the exception clause of being able to “know” about myths is flawed here, not the nickname itself (that just strengthens the flaw). It would be pretty weird for somehow all marines being able to know the rumors and stories of these hunters yet none of them, not a single person ever encountered one before. This isn’t some religious mythos where you could reasonably believe that the vast majority of marines would know, its more of a cryptozoology rumor barely anyone would know about if we are to believe that they somehow managed to be kept hidden for centuries despite leaving multiple ancient structures and equipment around, consistently being in physical contact with humans to the point of being even worshipped as gods in the past (which somehow all these records just dissapear? we are not that clueless as proven with the real life equivalent of recorded religious history of the Mayans) which is…somewhat unbelievable the further into the future you go. Some of the comics just drop the whole secrecy far into the future in Three World War and Rage War. At this point of the future, the Colonial Marines know about them and even had diplomatic relations. governments won’t be able to hold these secrets to themselves for this long, especially when said alien race is still heavily active. this would be an even more insane conspiracy theory than a one world government
first contact just doesn’t make sense anymore. the exception clause just makes it even more silly, with the way most pred rounds go, you will always have witnesses. so the whole population of the Almayer in the past somehow never ever encountered one yet and then suddenly in the present day you have loads of witnesses and recorded footage is so believable af’
The Almayer has been in service for 11 years with its workforce do containing combat veterans, one would believe atleast 1 person could have encountered them before, including in the factor of the vets being in service before the Almayer. with the way our marines interact with preds currently, changing contact rules would be the best, it would atleast explain why people keep saying to avoid attacking them without it being an OOC reason to not get perma’d. Also sometimes its incredibly obvious when people bring gear up knowing its gonna get retrieved despite having 0 prior knowledge about them recovering gear.
xenos don’t have first contact with preds and the only bad experience between the two is metaing the honor code, though xenos themselves act way too friendly/neutral despite knowing they are prey to them. They should either act hyper defensive, hyper agressive or cowardish especially when alone.
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Yeah 8 preds in a single match is kinda whack. I don’t know what kind of RP to make when I see a pred laughing at me next to a dozen skinned corpses that is my fellow marines and random colonists. I mean out of that context there’s space for it but what other response could anybody with a life preserving instinct and the sense of fear and logic have than to light them the fuck up on sight. Shouldn’t skinning and butchering be reserved for pray? And then sure the marines do dumb shit and become dishonourable. Sure kill those they dug their own grave. But what of the others. Why end their round when all they did was defend their fellow marine from some super alien that started slashing at them. Shouldn’t they just disengage when dishonourable marine dies?
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the correct response is “YOU’LL PAY FOR THAT MOTHERFUCKER” if you are an A.W. as for a normal marine the HRP response is to run away.
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sorry to be the bearer of bad news guys but nobody in the pred wl likes the term jamaican
we often use it to stem into a reason of killing the person who said it, such as: relate it to an insult, human is referring you to a lower being and should pay for that
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This is LRP, much different from you saying “jamaican”
It’s a joke announcement that I expect from a PVT that somehow got his hands on a tablet and not a whitelisted CO.
The community is free to make it, both on the wiki slang page and on the forums.
I call them cloakers, because they usually cloak and uncloak infront of me;much like the UPP commados.
I don’t think it should be banned, it’s not harmful. The predator is free to kill you, decapitate you, remove all of your limbs, string you up and skin you for doing so, and quite welcome to do so.
They cloak so they’re cloakers, much like lurkers and UPP commandos
We are adding a new hunting grounds to stop 20 preds from hunting in oneplace.
I think you explained it yourself, they’re antagonists. Antagonists that are not your friends, but your enemies.
If preds started butchering their prey the pred WL would be removed in a day.
TL;DR
Stop overcomplicating the usage of “Jamaican”
You can say it, doesnt make you more or less of an idiot for doing so.
Predators dont like it, so expect to die the second you use that word.
And COs shouldnt be making announcements like “its not racist if they attack first” , but I don’t have any power to do anything nor do I care.
The existence of 5000000000000 predators is being dealt with via a new hunting grounds and games for ghosts.
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what do you mean by games? I am interested
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Again, this announcement while being an off-kilter joke too, actually has the utilitarian purpose of communicating the rules of engagement: shoot when they attack first. And it’s “someone with dreadlocks” because I try to avoid saying “Jamaicans”, “cloakers” and so on.
Cloakers is actually an even harder term to justify, because it requires familiarity with the Pred cloaking technology, but the preds generally stay in the open, until they’ve really hurt, and only then start cloaking and running. So, from the IC point of view most of the time you just don’t know that they have the stealth camo technology when you need to refer to them somehow.
P.S. I’m just pointing out that preds seem to have a bit of an unrealistic expectation that marines, being generally a pretty LRP faction would suddenly go really HRP when dealing with them for some reason. But the only way to do that is staff-level enforcement.
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If they don’t, they die. It’s a good way of policing and I wish staff could gib people for being LRP. For now we have a faction that does it for us.
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Predators every 10-20 (TBD) minutes will be able to trigger a “hunt” on a different planet.
The predator picks what they’re going to hunt, be it serpents (Warriors, T3s whatever), humans (multi factions for example UPP CLF USCM and TWE at the same time) and a lot of other things that’ll be added.
This is all being done thanks to @JoeLampost so any kisses, number exchanges, statue building and whatnot should go to him.
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That is dumb. They run, so they are runners, much like T1 xeno caste.
The ravage, so they are ravagers.
There is too many cloakers to call yet another one and they don’t cloak all the time, they don’t shimmer, or whatever. New player without MD and low monitor brightness would never know that predators do cloak unless he consumed media involved predators.
That is OG pred lore, not CM lore.
In CM climate change hit so caveman preds banged two rocks together till they invented space ships. The rest is mystery, probably no less stupid.
Going by what we see in gameplay, predators only hunt “in the open” when there are two sides at conflict present, our case being xenos and marines. Who can say that canonicaly preds can’t always nudge the less reasonable force to wipe out humans who could gathered any concrete evidence? Maybe it is preds who allow Queen to hijack DS in rounds they are in, of course.
It’s literally canon to AVP, if you’ve ever played avp 2010 or such you’d know that predators aren’t very well known in the universe, literally ever single time they appear the marines are like “WHAT THE HELL IS THAT” or something like that, like in one review the reviewer even goes “it’s a fucking predator the universe has only encountered them like 120 times did no one bother to record this?”
Edit: Forgot to mention that canonically in the alien franchise that the only intelligent life humanity has ever found (as in, building civilisations and such) was the arcturians and some engineer ruins, they never found anything other then that, and in the predator franchise OWLF covers up the existence of yaujta.
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