INTERNAL BLEEDING AND YOU: a corpsman guide to expedient fixing of IB.

Who am i? well i am Keith ‘Chimp’ Juarez lover of the blessed m2c and just a lowly silver medic. but don’t let this dissuade you as i have good deal of hours in Doctor and Researcher. so i am no slouch when it come to Surgery.

WHAT IS INTERNAL BLEEDING?

Internal bleeding is a status effect you can get on any part of your body that will cause continuous loss of blood until you die or have it fixed.

What can cause it?

  • Being hit when you have extreme amounts of brute damage.
  • walking with unsplinted fractures or shrapnel still in your body.
  • Armor piercing attacks (but thats from the wiki so take with a grain of salt)

When you have internal bleeding and die seeing how your heart has stopped the blood loss will stop until you are defibbed.

HOW DO YOU TREAT INTERNAL BLEEDING?

Its simple really, start by making sure you are on green help intent! than using your trusty Health Analyzer to find the limb and than target the limb with the internal bleeding. Take off the their armor if its on chest, groin arms or legs. it its on the head take off their helmet. if its on there hands or feet there is no need to strip. Give your patient Tramadol or Oxycodone strap them to roller bed or have them lay down, than use your surgical kit in this order.
32px-Scalpel > 32px-Hemostat > 32px-Retractor > Surgical_Line > Surgical_Line

See its simple!

HOW TO SPEED UP FIXING INTERNAL BLEEDING?

Now that you know the basics lets go over how to do it even faster!

First of all toss out that 32px-Hemostat Hemostat its nothing but waste of space really!

The use of the Hemostat only lessens the amount of blood loss that happens in Surgery. Which in the grand schemes it not worth the loss of time. so you can just skip over that step!

The next think you want to do is get your hands on a Fix-O-Vein 32px-Fixovein
This much faster at mending the vein than the use of the Surgical Line Surgical_Line

you can get your self Fix-O-vein from your corpsman supply vender for low low price of 7 points. it well worth it i assure you!

Next you want to try and get your hands on some Cautery 32px-Cautery

To get your Cautery you can ask for the lab that just up the ladder of medbay to print one out for you!

Now on to the order Surgery!
32px-Scalpel > 32px-Retractor > 32px-Fixovein > 32px-Cautery

This is the fastest way, But its more risky, as it may cause a frac if the limb has to much damage. The key matter is to on the second step to use the scalpel again on Blue push intent, than return to green help for the rest of the steps.
32px-Scalpel > 32px-Scalpel blue inteat > 32px-Fixovein > 32px-Cautery

This is many times faster than doing it the traditional way! if you want to speed it up even more ask the medbay if you may take a SurgicalBed 32px-FieldSurgicalBed from the operating room!

Making use of a SurgicalBed instead of rollerbed cuts off good bit of time from the operation. but it may not be worth the space taken out of your kit!

Still if you plan things right and toss out the Cautery and op for the more risky method. you can fit every thing you need in the Surgery kit, that being Fix-O-vein, Surgery line, Scalpel this should leave you with space to tuck away a SurgicalBed easily.

HOW DO YOU CURE BLOOD LOSS?

Many of times your patient will have lost a good deal of blood, Here is few ways to fix that!

  • Feeding them Iron pills the OD of iron is 30 units. you can get this from the chem line in the medbay just ask for iron or FE. Most pill bottles will be made in 15u pills.
  • Using the O- blood bags that comes in your essential medical supplies! just hold it in your hand and click on your patient!
  • Feeding them FOOD yup. just feed your patient a MRE or any food you can find. you also can just tell them to go find food them self too. This is generally the best way to refill small amounts of blood loss.

One thing to note Iron or any kind of natural form of blood replacement will take up nutrition. which means that your patient will likely get hungry, So for any kind of blood loss best have them fed.

Courtesy to JayJohnson.

COMMON PIT FALLS!

First of all you can not do any kind of Surgery on the dropships! so if you must do Surgery always walk off the Alamo or Normandy before you start work on your patient! you can not believe just how many docs and medics who don’t know about this.

Next of all is not respliting the limb after fixing the internal bleeding. unless you take off the split it can and will be cut off when you are doing your Surgery. so if the limb that you fixed the internal bleeding on has frac always make sure its got split on it.

third thing is always check that you did in fact fix the internal bleeding. The last step of closing the incision can take long time. so some times you think its done only for you to move and interrupt the last seconds of the work.

Last of all if you some how lost a tool check the striped armor for it, or if you were on harm intent and you shanked the patient and you lost your Scalpel. try right clicking on your patient and select yank out object with a empty hand.

you also can’t do Surgery in water. courtesy to Gentlefood for pointing that out i forgot all about that.

One more pit fall that many medics fall for is defibbing a body with IB than fixing it. many of time its better to fix the IB first than defibbing. This is because as long as the body is dead and the heart is stopped they won’t loss any blood. but do note this should only be done on green line bodies with less then 250 damage. better yet get the damage down to 200 than start to fix the IB.

Courtesy to tallerfission for pointing this out.

THE MOST SPACE EFFICIENT METHOD!

Now lets say you are strapped on space well than you can fix IB with nothing but a boot knife and surgical line.

its simple as.
Autowiki-M5_'Night_Raider'_bayonet > Autowiki-M5_'Night_Raider'_bayonet > Surgical_Line > Surgical_Line
you can also do the speedy but risky method too.
Autowiki-M5_'Night_Raider'_bayonet> Autowiki-M5_'Night_Raider'_bayonet blue inteat > Surgical_Line > Surgical_Line

now is this method good? not really, but as IB is relatively rare it may be worth it in end for some.

There is one more method that is both good on space and speed.
Autowiki-M5_'Night_Raider'_bayonet> Autowiki-M5_'Night_Raider'_bayonetblue inteat > 32px-Fixovein > Surgical_Line
This method works well as you can fit Surgical line, Synth Graft and Fix-O-Vein in the Surgery kit.

Now i do hope this little guide has been of use, happy hutting lads! also many thanks to the many medics in the replies! (edit: it would have been much worst guide other wise so do give it peruse.)

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Just use the scalpel or boot knife (depending on preference) twice to cut then widen the incision. Disarm intent with the scalpel will instantly widen the incision for some patient damage (risky as you might break bones if the limb is injured). This should save some time tool juggling.

I’ve never really needed fix-o or a cautery but I suppose they’d technically speed it up.

You also can’t do surgery in water. Ie: LV river

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oh ya it speeds it up shit ton… LIKE I MEAN A LOT! its night and day really.

you know frankly i never did make use of that as most of the time lost come from fixing the vein, still good to know.

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here’s a bit of a fun fact
if you REALLY want to save on space, all you need technically is a boot knife and sutures (or cable coil if you for some reason dont take sutures(???))

this makes it so you can just ditch the surgical tools entirely, though it does slow significantly. i usually do IB surgery on people who are dead before i revive them though, so unless theyre at significantly high damages or about to perma it doesnt matter in the long run

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I’ll add some more fun facts:

When vending your essential medical supplies, you’ll be supplied with two O- blood bags. When toggled to transfer the max amount from the top of your HUD, you will “out-heal” the blood loss from one IB. Plus, you can hook them up to it before starting surgery, and so long as you keep it in your offhand it’ll transfer as you fix your patient.
I use this when the blood level is anywhere below 90% (in the orange), or 75% (in the red).

Other things to consider: Iron pills
You can get these from chemistry, and they will most likely come in 16 pills of 15 units. OD level is 30 units. These will passively heal blood levels in a marine. It’s always a good idea to give your patient one if they have anything blood related going on.

Finally I’ll finish up with Nutrition
When patients lose blood they’ll lose nutrition too. This will end up slowing their movement down. You can either carry MRE’s (cause the marines will never have any) or you can instruct them to go to the FOB.

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Don’t do IB on the front.

God. Please.

Biggest pitfall.

Don’t do IB surgery on the front. Don’t do it close to the front. Find somewhere safe. Be patient.

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If you’re doing IB surgery on me I give you permission to do it on the front. Or not, your call. I get that sometimes it doesn’t make sense to move across the map for a long time. :saluting_face:

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This!

Really that’s why i am on the fence about putting Fixing IB on the front, in the pitfall part. because it get it, i seen so many issue that pop up by fixing IB on the front. but also i seen issues with taking them to fob. also leaving the front line and fixing IB a bit back from it, that is just asking to get lurked.

really the fixing IB on the front is around the same as defibbing super burns on the front at least in my view.

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(This might all be hearsay, but it happened to me once, so I feel the need to say it)

Its quite uncommon (its happened to me ONCE in 140h+) but important to denote, you CAN sever limbs/heads if you fail an IB surgery while there the limb is heavily damaged. For this reason, it is HEAVILY ADVISABLE you heal them first.

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I think its much more likely they weren’t paying attention and started the removal surgery (use scalpel/knife a 3rd time) than getting the rng delimb proc (which I’m not even sure is a thing anymore).

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Interestingly enough, you actually can’t get IB on hands or feet. This doesn’t change a whole lot though, since leaving those unsplinted is still a horrible idea.

The cautery only shaves one second off of sealing an incision when compared to surgical line and the lighter takes just as long as surgical line. You also can’t store the cautery in a medkit or in the portable surgical case, and you’re going to be carrying surgical line on you anyway for grafting, so you might as well just use it here.

Sadly you cannot increase the transfer rate on blood bag transferring. The button in the top left is inhereted from it being a reagent container. It’s the same thing that beakers and other reagent holders have, and what it changes is the amount you transfer when using the container on another container (like another beaker), but you can’t directly pour the blood bag into other containers, so it does nothing.

Funnily enough, this is surprisingly close to being optimal in terms of storage space used and time saved. The hemostat is useless, so you toss that; the scalpel only saves you about 1 second per incision, which is notable for doctors, but not corpsman, so we toss it; same deal with the retractor, cautery, and lighter.

The two biggest improvements you can make to IB surgery time when it comes to the tools you’re using is a portable surgical bed - which helps with failure rates too - and Fix-O-Vein; everything else saves a pretty negligible amount of time in comparison.

This leaves us with an empty portable surgical kit, which you can fill with Surgical Line, Synthgraft, and your Fix-O-Vein. You can then store this in a medkit/medical kit pouch. Toss a surgical bed into that pouch and keep a knife in your boot, and it’s taking this much space:

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Overall, nice guide. Anything that gets new medics doing IB surgery instead of fearing it - or god forbid sending them shipside to get it fixed - is a win. Thanks for taking the time to write it.

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Cool guide, but, as always, new players will never read it - they don’t care

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gah i just tested that and its great. This is why i didn’t want to make this guide at first i felt like i was missing some thing, now i got to revised the whole thing. guess this what i get for trying to relay on my doc hours to cover for my sliverness.

still i swear i knew my stuff, but guess i was wrong. no matter, in the end we all learned thing or two.

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Thank you for making this guide @Catzonwheelz.

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hahaha don’t worry, ya the guide might not be 100% but you’ve learned something from posting it and we got some high level medical players in here eager to share their knowledge with you. Either way it’s always appreciated when someone takes the time to try and help others which is what you are doing!

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But I love the front! I live for the front! I spend all my time on the front! Please don’t make me go to the back line!!! I’m scared of the demon OWLs that live in the darkness.

I promise I’ll drop my mod88 for your gun and grab both your armor and roller bed you away if the front collapses.

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I don’t think that’s fair, I read a lot of wiki and guides when I was new.

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I think this is a reductive take. While all guides being hosted on the forums is a bit of a tricky thing to notice, I know I read a lot of guides before I started playing roles

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the solution is simple, you need a go between, typically on LV this is either hydro when pushing beaches, or cave entrances/containers/tfort when pushing caves

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Today I learned: fixing head IB on front can lead to patient getting beheaded ( not my fault, the other medic was clumsy with head-aim, burst mode trying to get the hugger).

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