janspader - Commanding Officer Application

[h20b]

Despite the fact that I am not a member of the whitelist, neither am I somebody that is that “known” in the community so my opinion probably won’t count, I have been around for some years now and I have seen you pretty much from what used to be your first hundred hours all the way to here. I’ve taken breaks from the server overall and came back by the time you got a thousand of them, already.

It is clear that you have improved if we look into the past, however, I have never seen you play any other role that isn’t XO… I did see you once go IO, to just head to cryo shortly afterwards.

Let me be clear, I do not think you’re a bad XO to lead any operation, in fact, you are way more competent in this field than many CO’s I’ve seen around. The thing is, that every roleplay interaction I have seen from you is very short, you seem to be always attached to the “combat” side of the server, which is obviously a thing that the XO should be doing, yes. But I would have really liked seeing you deal with RP situations around the ship, a thing that could have been easily solved if you played more RP-Based roles (Liaison, MP and so on).

You seem to also have issues with ML overall, but like it has been said up here, I do not think that is an issue as I have seen CO’s myself that probably had less knowledge than you in this field, get accepted.

Therefore, my opinion on this is purely a +1. I do think that you need to improve on some aspects, but I believe this will come in the long run. I’m pretty sure your appearance in the game as a CO would leave a positive impact in the round.

By the way, I recommend you to start playing MP and other RP based roles as I would like to see your interactions around the ship more.

Best of luck!

–EDIT–

I really thought you deserved a chance no matter the fuck ups, as everybody can have a slip up here and there. But seeing the new things that surfaced which I don’t really want to talk about, it really shows that you do not deserve that chance no matter what.

My opinion on this matter is changed to a -1.

Just why. You had some support in the community despite groups hating on you, but now, I really doubt anybody is on your side.

[thesoldier]

I’ve just seen the evidence of his actions with the “hit squad” and also his gas chamber comment.
I take back everything I posted, and apologize for the endorsement as I literally found out. I don’t know what happened to you Shay, you never seemed like a bad guy in our conversations months ago, but you need to do some soul searching dude.

The shit you did, I would have issued an immediate community ban if I was still active.

[StukaNuka]

So far everything seems fine from what i’ve read and i have nothing to complain about really.

I do have some advice tho, do know when to put your foot down, sometimes it’ll be required to conflict or clash with other people in order to avoid further harm to others in the operation or overall, so do take that into consideration.

HOWEVER take into considerating that you’ll need to be flexible with your tactics and communication, it ain’t all about winning every time, and sometimes stirring things up to get something different can be rewarding, and even if you fail, at least you’ll learn something new from trying won’t you? So you can’t be a control freak all of the time, communication is an essential skill, and sometimes your fellow CIC goons and SLs can provide you with advice that is quite valuable, you are not alone in this, you are a commander and as such must work togheter with those under your command to ensure everything runs smoothly.

I also advice you play a bit more of SL and MP, mostly SL however in order to get a better feeling of what your marines might be needing while deployed, sometimes while being in CIC people can forget how it is planetside and put up impossible expectations.

Lastly, don’t overdo CO or XO, you might get burnt out and start feeling the roles more as a chore than as something enjoyable, which isn’t good for planning since you’ll start feeling fatigued after a while and unwilling to continue further.

Anyway, gonna be a +1 from me, just don’t goof up when you get that shiny blue star in the future.

[Sandvich123]

Sup
You made a kill list that had certain CO members and councilors in VC after being denied last time. You thought people on the CO WL were out to get you (trust me they don’t care that much) People have been community banned for a saying a lot less. I don’t care about your ability to command, it’s not hard in CM and you have the basic skills down. I care about how you represent the WL and if you will do something stupid like the VC kill list in the future. Trust me as someone who had to grind for the WL back, it’s not fun. I’m leaving heavily towards -1 but I’ll give you the chance to respond. I’m not a councilor so you can opt out of this question. It’s a game at the end of the day no matter how much we play

[johnravioli]

Sorry to say but you’re quite literally a NPC when playing the role. Sometimes you just don’t even react to the things happening around you, and you always power game getting the same shit every round. -1

You’re a good person and all, but I don’t think you would do good in this role.

[Taketheshot56]

You know what you’re doing, I’ve typed out long messages for the last two apps and the councilors and Sammy know my stance on this. Simple +1

[moltoretardo]

First of all, I’d like to say that I’ve seen you improve your behavior in-game more than the last two applications you’ve made. Some of the actions that were held against you have been rectified and that is always a good sign. I’ve witnessed both while playing and by observing and I truly hope that you wont go back to those exact behaviors if you get the WL. You know how the role works and have experiences on it. I don’t think a lack of knowledge of the ML is even worth mentioning as it is useless most of the time and only some bad faith individuals would hunt you down for it, which is against the rules now.

Some concerning habits do remain, like for example powergaming. As a commanding officer (or aCO), your job is to lead and delegate the meaningless tasks to the worms under you. You aren’t an errand boy so going to grab an engineer vendor and pushing it into the dropship, snatching the spare metal in engineering and having a loadout that is more fitted to a synth is a bit pushing it. You can order practically everything to be done for you which would mitigate it into being roleplay as you interact with people instead. For the loadout, I don’t think you need to be an ambulance while being inside of CIC, nor do you need an extended mag pouch (those are already quite in demand for the regular marines that will actually have to use them), and a full set of tools. Do you really need an RTO backpack when you have a phone literally next to you? I recommend toning it down by a few (many) notches. Going into research and making yourself custom pills that most doctors don’t even take is included in what you need to tone down, you aren’t a chemist, you are an XO/CO

Now for the big red flag. After having heard what you’ve said and done, which was also mentioned by Sandvich further up, I find it quite incredible that the last host, who cbanned and called the ATF on someone that did less, would be so willingly ready to give you the WL like that. I guess you have some kind of immunity or something, which is a great asset for you. If losing makes you this mad, you really need to work on improving that. Detaching yourself from your character (not playing a self-insert) is a must, I’d say, for this kind of WL. Saying that “You won that round” or that “it’s X queen so I lost” isn’t the good mindset to have. It’s a team game, put the ego aside and play for the fun of it. You aren’t the protagonist.

I don’t really know why some people here are so foreign about the idea of denying someone until they are actually suited for the WL, maybe it’s not the same for other applications, but I do believe that it’s important that a role that has both heavy RP and lots of mechanics be incredibly harsh and thorough on the applicants. That’s how you end up with less WL removals.

In conclusion, I think that you made alot of good improvements and you are on a good way in-game. I would’ve been ready to give it a chance but to be honest, I can’t do it in a peace of mind after the recent OOC blunders. Though, I’m glad that you are improving and I will actually stay neutral this time for the sake of it.

TLDR: Good improvements, powergame too much, stop playing a self-insert, don’t send hitsquad on fellow COs.

[Copper-Wilson]

So since the last app you have definitely improved. Having had alot more chances to see you and interact with you IC both when I played as a SL and SEA to name a few roles, you have definitely gotten better. Had the aftermath of the last CO app this “kill list” and the concern of you power-gaming not been a thing I would be giving you a +1. The fact this happened leave a bad taste in my mouth. As other have said above how do you plan to improve yourself as a member of the community and learn to accept things like losing rounds in the game and being denied such apps? Your actions can and will reflect on players you play with and the WL you have, what I am getting at before i give a +1 or -1 here is can you learn to let go, and continue to improve?

[sg2002]

Right, so a couple of questions from me.

First of all, do you think it’s a good idea to hog the CO slot and play multiple rounds per day, maybe even in quick succession? Can you explain the risks involved in that?

Secondly, how would your CO rounds be different from your XO-in-charge rounds?

[ghost]

Dude made me quit CM after threatening to kill me +1 great life style change, thanks shay.

[ShaySilverlocke]

@sg2002
Personally I probably won’t hog the CO Slot. Command will take alot out of me nowadays. I have been trying to pace myself and spend time with other friends and such.

As for my rounds… Firstly I have always ensured that my role’s requirements are done. As an XO. This means my marines need to have a solid FOB and supply chain as the bare minimum. Perhaps as a CO I could also improve my marine performance and encourage teamwork, by showing marines examples amongst their ranks to follow. As for tactics, old habits die hard and I find that I’m often not enough of a risk taker. Change is slow but I am trying to force myself to cover my weakness of not having enough aggression. Perhaps paired with an aggressive XO this could let the marines have a better balance of Aggression and caution. I’ll be honest your question did take me by surprise as I never really thought of something like what you asked. So apologies if the answer is less than satisfactory

[Sandvich123]

Why would you say this when you have a CO app up. Why would you say this at all

-1

[NuggetsOnToast]

Its quite funny how many times we have to explain that just because you put thousands of hours into something it doesn’t automatically mean you deserve it or are remotely qualified.

Shay has not shown any capacity for learning how to improve over thousands of hours and OOCly have proven themselves slightly unhinged at best saying odd things in peoples DMs and the main cord and to top it off having what seems to be an anger issue.
Shay also displays little to no effort to roleplay, focusing on winning instead normally playing on silent autopilot and not interacting with things around their own ship. To those who have vouched for Shay’s ability to roleplay, you’ve just shown me that you either don’t pay attention or don’t have any idea how to roleplay yourselves.

They have said worrying things about other players in the community in regards to their last app being denied and just proved above have said stuff that other players would have been instantly banned for.

All of you that have given them a +1 need to take a moment and think about things more before commenting on other apps. Especially those of you who are staff and should know what they have done beforehand. Grow up and stop throwing +1s to your friends if they don’t deserve it.

I hope the CO council will not devalue their WL with humouring this.

Also last time someone mentioned a pipe box Soldier you shadow banned them both instantly, yet Shay made a literal Kill list about CO councillor players and you would just disregard this process and give them the WL. Very funny stuff

-1

[Sabiti]

Honestly, you are a solid xo. though id wish to see you pester those lazy rtos to use jtac and the mortar more often.

ML would probably be a bit of an issue if you were to become a co, but as CMP Powers once said, “Military Law is an art.”
+1

[Kuusday]

Right, I don’t have beef with you, but if the CO kill list is true then I don’t think you deserve the whitelist.

I haven’t had a negative interaction with you, and actually prefer you over many other XOs, but threatening to kill players and shit talking them in DMs when they hold he whitelist you are actively applying for is deplorable. You know the mechanics, you’ve played more than enough, but your attitude is in the absolute gutter.

[song_m]

Shay, you cant just say shit like that lol

I’m personally not offended, but you can’t just go out there and throw some really edgy remarks when one of the biggest criticisms about your last app was literally your behavior. It’s so damn disappointing when you were given a ton of legit feedback/advice and trust that things will change and you go and pull something like this

I just can’t fully support you at this time, or in the near future.

-1

[Axyinious]

I play a german character but I never made any remarks hoping people get gassed by the millions, because that’s something a toxic person would do. Your behavior is unbecoming of a CO and thus you do not deserve the whitelist.
Regardless if you have the hours in the required roles, your reputation is negative within the community which heavily impacts the role.

-1

[forest2001]

This has largely turned into a popcorn stand, I’ve read enough and I don’t think any more community feedback in either direction will alter the decision beyond what is already here. I’m going to lock this thread, and remind people that when giving feedback you should remain on topic and not post memes or shitposting in here regardless of how you feel towards applicants.

[naut]

Closing the thread earlier seemed to auto-deny the app for some reason, that was weird and premature. Here’s the actual closing message.

Council have looked over this application and, unfortunately, we haven’t found much change in either your behavior, especially OOC, or in regards to the feedback we and others have left on your previous application that ultimately led to denial.

This app, too, had a decisive factor in our verdict – the recent remarks you made in Discord that, as others have pointed out, is something we absolutely do not tolerate out of an applicant. Staff didn’t tolerate it, either. A ban is in itself automatic grounds for denial, although the reasoning is more than just that.

The Council mulled over this a bit. Ultimately we feel that the repeated events we see here in the previous applications, combined with concerns over how you behave as a person (incidents of which we won’t name, as they’re probably already known by most), lead us to move to deny this application.

In addition to that, you reapplied quite hastily this time around, something which I think didn’t help your case too much. With the aforementioned facts taken into consideration, the Council will be temporarily suspending you from making an application until 6 months have passed, in order to absolutely make sure that if you choose to apply, it is done when you have been given plenty of time to iron out our concerns about you. You may reapply anytime after September 9, 2023. Don’t rush it.

You are competent, you are solid, you have a lot of people backing you. I will give you that. But who you are – and what you say – as a person is just as representative of belonging in the CO whitelist as who you are as a character. And unfortunately, at least as of now, we don’t think you’re a right fit for it.