joooks - Staff Report: Enforcement Action Taken - Steelpoint
What’s your BYOND key:
Your character name:
Johanna J. Jaakari
Their BYOND key:
What are you reporting?:
Enforcement Action Taken
Description of the incident:
In the Solaris round I was the delta SO; CIC decided that we need to pull back from filtration to lower admin for a regroupment because the front was going pretty badly.
Delta aSL (A.W. Rapier)who was also the Grenadier Specialist was ordered several times to make his squad retreat and refused to; ignoring his orders and asking senior officers(XO/CO) what’s the point of doing that, displaying intent that he was not even considering to follow the order although he should since there’s the new rules that you OOCly have to listen to non-suicidal orders, so I admin helped him.
Steelpoint responded to me that such an order is unfollowable because the marines won’t listen to him. (Mind you, most of the force already filt to admin, the area south of admin was secured and the road back was clear). After another one of my ahelps where I explained to him that the rules should still be enforced since he got orders to fall back as a SPECIALIST, not just an aSL, (since my ticket was instantly closed without a chance of letting me respond, I had to open another one.) Steelpoint told me that such an order would be suicidal because he would have to go alone there (even though the way to southern admin was clear) thus it was okay for him to stay at the front.
Logs will provide it
Upon receiving an ahelp regarding the delta aSL (The Specialist) refusing to obey an order, I performed an investigation via ahelping the player as well as checking logs, after gathering this information and attempting to contextualize their circumstances I determined, in my opinion, that they were not in breach of rule 2 since I believed the issue was that they were unable to force their squad to cease fighting on the frontline and retreat.
I did not believe it would be appropriate to take staff action against someone whose fault is that they can’t force their squad to obey an order. Ergo I concluded no staff intervention was needed.
Roger A.W. Rapier here, the Delta Grenadier Specialist that round. Felt the need to elaborate as somebody got into trouble over my actions. Thus heres my POV:
At the time when the retreat order was given, I told my squad to retreat via radio multiple times, waiting for them to rally on me or move out in small groups back to lower administration, got ignored by my squad and more than half of the marine force stayed at frontlines after the CO himself gave a retreat order via announcements. I would only retreat with majority of my squad, as its technically my duty as aSL to guide and organise them, which wasnt successful at all. So with all that, I decided to stick with my squad, on the frontlines. (For the record: I only started questioning the orders on command channel when I realised my squad was NOT planning to follow my or CO’s orders at all).
We had a cadeline, we had a pile of marine corpses that corpsmen were reviving when the order was given to the entire marine force, with each push made by the queen we managed (most of the time) to nab a T2/T3 and retrieve our dead. On top of that, we secured a T3 (praetorian?) kill literally few minutes after the retreat order was given, which got all of the marines hyped up and solidified their position on filtration. It was really simple that marines wouldnt retreat no matter what, I explained it to you and the CO on radio. Shortly after, the CO makes an announcement about “go on… bleed yourselves in filtration” and marines counterattack, pushing into caves.
" (even though the way to southern admin was clear) " and no, it wasnt at all. I had to fight off a lurker to save some poor marine from getting nabbed a good six minutes before the order was given. Lurkers wont engage a group of 5 marines, but they would surely engage a lone specialist that happens to be not scout or pyro.
TL;DR: couldnt tardwrangle marines, retreating alone was too risky so I provided support for my squad.
I had thought I resolved this previously but it seems I haven’t.
Based on the logs the speciaist made reasonable effort to move their squad, and were ignored by their marines. I do not see any wrongdoing here by the player nor Steelpoint.