Lel_Stinvals - Whitelist Report: Maj Alan Jones, CO code of conduct. Not certain on anything else.

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Lel_Stinvals - Whitelist Report: Maj Alan Jones, CO code of conduct. Not certain on anything else.

What’s your BYOND key?

Lel_Stinvals

Round ID:

28646

Your character name:

Alexander Oblomov

Accused BYOND key:

N/A

Accused character name:

Maj Alan Jones

What rule(s) were broken?:

CO code of conduct. Not certain on anything else.

Whitelist in question:

Commanding Officer

Description of the incident:

During the round, once the USCM have deployed, Intelligence Officers discovered a CLF technician named Tamy Lynx. The CLF tech was shot by IOs, ziptied and recieved basic treatment. The Auxiliary Support Officer reported CLF presence, on which the Major told on command comms to “put down if you see them (the CLF members)”, because “As a non-uniformed fighting force they are not protected by the geneva convention”. This is realtively understandable on CO’s part, but was a little weird.

The next part is the one that concerns me. The CLF tech was reported as a prisoner, and Major Jones stated that “We dont have the MP force necessary to handle prisoners right now.”

There was an MP present, but he was very new. CO asked that MP if he can handle thep prisoner, but did not wait for a concrete response. At this point ASO & XO already pointed out that being madness, as well as CL suggesting to contact the provost instead. ASO also stated that he can handle thep prisoner, but Major decided otherwise anyway: “Okay, so if no one is going to handle the CLF prisoner. Put him up against the wall.”

After the ASO Hurriedly repeated his ability to deal with the prisoner, CO “authroized” the former to handle the CLF prisoner, which I interpreted as him being deputized. Meanwhile suggesting the new MP meber mentioned before an option of being assigned to kitchen when he is needed to watch over the prisoner.

After that, the situation calmed down. The prisoner was processed by ASO and recieved treatment in brig by doctors. On direct inquiry by ASO to IOs on the CLF prisoner it was confirmed that the latter was armed, but did not attack marines and decided to flee upon confrontation at first instead.

If ASO didn’t interfere, that would’ve resulted in a permament round removal for a player that otherwise did not antagonize marines (to my knowledge). If Major Jones decided to perform a battlefield execution on the prisoner, I would have no problems with it. But such executions are performed personally by the commander, as stated by the code. Not by telling people to go full Soviet NKVD & summoning the spirit of Bob Cross.

I Admit that I may or may not know the full picture, as well as the CO too. I also do understand that there may or may not be some justification in the CO character’s story for such reaction, even if it is too much. I also wish to admit that my report is partially driven by the people, who, on my genuine attempts to understand the situation and CO’s reasoning for such actions on discord, simply threw the whitelist report link at me with words: “If you think a co has broken conduct here you go.” That is why I will be content with any decision made on the report by whoever processes it as long as it will be explained why such event occured and why it is alright or not alright on CO’s part.

The quotes in this post were modified as little as possible to fit it, and are taken straight from the chatlog.

Evidence:

Chatlog. Will send on request.

[Arbs (The real Alan Jones maybe? Perhaps?)]

At the time of the CLF encounter command crew consisted of me and the XO and a newly arrived SO. The ASO I believe was initially running req and then moving on to whatever secondary duties at this time.

Our MP department consisted of a single MP who was a very new player. I encountered the same player in a squad prep the previous round and I noticed them being new as well. When this MP player was asked by me if he could handle a prisoner responded with:

Cpl Michael Altmann [Command (MP)] says, “I don’t know I’m fresh off the academy”
Cpl Michael Altmann [Command (MP)] says, “Can’t blame me i need my citizenship papers”

I was not going to deputize the XO and have him leave the CIC and commanding marines to go handle a CLF prisoner.

I would not abandon my duties in the CIC either when there is just two of us there and a freshly awoken SO. On top of that it was a multi-z test round with the tacmap also missing and comms just having been brought online.

A CLF technician, under all consideration is a hostile element. Even OOCly the players chose on their menu, with consent and intent, to be a hostile survivor and therefore made it automatically their objective to antagonize marines and be considered “hostile personnel” by the USCM by default.

CLF specificially also being a guerilla terrorist group, means a reluctance to provide the same rights as if it was a regular military we were fighting.

Rules of engagement as per SOP dictate:

@Rules of engagement

• Any potentially useful equipment found in the AO such as weapons or tools may be requisitioned for military use by any USCM personnel with the rank of Staff Sergeant (SSGT) and above.
• Buildings and obstacles within the AO may be constructed or deconstructed in accordance with strategic or tactical directives. The use of plastic explosives is authorized for demolitions.
• Wildlife is not to be needlessly hunted if passive. Any hostile wildlife or wildlife that approaches the perimeter of FOBs, supply lines or compromises the personal space of marines or their formation may be shot on sight.
• Humans that are not overtly hostiles are to be halted and their intentions uncovered. Survivors are to be debriefed and be given the option to board the Almayer as a passenger, they may be offered this freely.
• Other military or paramilitary entities may be allowed to continue their operations if they prove beneficial or indifferent to USCM interests.
• The use of force is authorized to disable non-compliant personnel. Hostile personnel may be killed on sight.

CLF by definition, is considered hostile personnel.

“The United Americas government classifies the CLF as a terrorist organization, with membership in the organization or providing financial or material support for the CLF being prosecutable offenses.”

So the situation we are presented with is this:

1. We do not have an MP department that is capable of handling and processing a CLF Technician at this time.
2. Since the CLF technician by default is a hostile entity, we are not going to let them loose in the AO or the ship to cause more trouble and mayhem to our detriment either.

So, if we cannot handle a terrorist through the MPs, we are going to follow ROE and shoot them as you normally would if you were to encounter an armed CLF guerrilla in the battlefield.

@stinvals

If ASO didn’t interfere, that would’ve resulted in a permament round removal for a player that otherwise did not antagonize marines (to my knowledge). If Major Jones decided to perform a battlefield execution on the prisoner, I would have no problems with it. But such executions are performed personally by the commander, as stated by the code. Not by telling people to go full Soviet NKVD & summoning the spirit of Bob Cross.

I have no idea what you are smoking that made you think of Battlefield executions or Bob cross or the soviet NKVD. But let’s break this down.

As per the previous argument, the player specifically chose to be hostile to the USCM by default, by choosing to be a CLF terrorist in their character settings.

When one decides to take upon such a role, I would assume that they have taken into consideration the fact that they will likely result in being shot and killed by the USCM and removed from the round permanently and are okay with this.

We do not need to wait for the CLF to shoot at us and “antagonize” us in order to consider them as hostile. They already hostile are by definition. Them being CLF is enough for us to act on it.

The CLF technician was in the AO and not under the custody of the MP department. This was not a an attempt for a marine law execution, or a battlefield execution, or an battlefield execution by proxy.

This was simply an affirmation that “follow your ROE on the CLF”, which as a hostile entity, you may kill it on sight and that you should do so.

@stinvals

After the ASO Hurriedly repeated his ability to deal with the prisoner, CO “authroized” the former to handle the CLF prisoner, which I interpreted as him being deputized. Meanwhile suggesting the new MP meber mentioned before an option of being assigned to kitchen when he is needed to watch over the prisoner.

When you as the ASO volunteered to handle it after claiming to have Military Police experience, I specifically authorized you to handle the CLF prisoner. Which you did handle.

This solved point 1 of my concern:

@Arbs

1. We do not have an MP department that is capable of handling and processing a CLF Technician at this time.

As you stepped forward for this, I supported the path of action in recovering the CLF Technician, provided you can handle it. I deputized you by giving you direct authorization to go handle it, and handle it you did.

I made the iRP remark that “if the MP is unable to perform their MP duties, to let me know as they can be assigned to kitched duty instead” in order for them to get it together and step up in their duties as MP.

When you play as an MP, you are expected to be able to handle MP duties. Otherwise if people cant rely on your to do so, you might as well not be one.

This is my side and the reasoning behind this entire encounter.

Now my question to you is, which part of the Rules, SOP, Marine Law, CO code of conduct has been violated here?

Do you have any additional questions that you would like me to comment on?

[Arryn (Soomis)]

After discussion about this report, the Council has found that the CO hasn’t breached the Code of Conduct. The issues that were brought up were mainly due to a documentation error within Marine Law which has now been rectified.

This report is denied.