Make Up a Bootleg Stim

Brute Stim

Bica Mera Oxy (30, 15, 15)

OD Threshold Duration
1 pill 150 s
Time Brute Healed Healing Rate
75 s 150 HP 2 HP/s
150 s 225 HP 1 HP/s

Recipe:

  1. Mix 300 Bica, 120 Oxycodone.
  2. Mix 40 Carbon, 40 water.
  3. Remove 20 Bica.
  4. Make 8 pills.

Use case:

Bootleg stimulant that must be taken before a push.
Resists pain from brute damage and heals it away to keep you mobile,
but requires you to dodge acid attacks to make up for it.

Strengths:

  • Long lasting healing and painkilling.
    • Lasts a minute longer than an UNGA flask.
  • Quick intake.
    • Eating a pill is faster than drinking a whole flask.
  • Healing synchronizes with painkillers.

Weaknesses:

  • Must track the duration to prevent OD.
  • Heal rate declines after 75 seconds.
  • Brute focused. No burn heal.
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Does this account for the Medical Rework Testmerge?

maintainers gonna patch this shit asap

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ETA 2 Days

Lads, is just a OD cap MB pill with Oxy built in. This is intended medical balance, countered by the PITA to make and distribute unmarked pills to marines, chemvendor power, and the fact Emergency Pens exist.

It even shares the same issue as E-pens, if you have any bica in your system when you take this pill, instant OD. Atleast med rework lets you puke the OD away.

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this doesnt look problematic at all so idk what ur talking about

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SUPER Stim

I will call this stim: UNGA, as you are to take it before unga charging.

Bica Kelo Mera Derma Tricord Oxy (10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10)

OD Threshold Duration
2 pills 100 s healing, 200s no pain
Time ALL Healed Healing Rate
100 s 150 HP 3 HP/tick
200 s 150 HP 1.5 HP/tick

Recipe (because we don’t have 500u janitor buckets like some think we have):

  1. Mix 80 kelo, 80 bicard, 60 oxy, 30 dylovine, 30 inaprovaline

  2. Mix 20 Carbon, 20 water, 20 oxy, 20 phosphorus.

  3. Make 5 pills.

Use case:

It’s 60U of unga, like drinking a whole canteen all at once.

I am confused by this thread. Why wouldnt you just have unga?

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There was a Medical Rework Testmerge up. It removed Unga juice.

Either there’s a wiki error or UNGA’s healing rate per damage type is not 3HP/s

Chemical Analysis

Chemical Analysis

Healing Rate

Reagent HP/sec
Meralyne, Dermaline 1.5
Bicaridine, Kelotane 1.0
Tricordazine 0.5

Metabolism Rate

Reagent u/sec
Bica, Kelo, Mera, Derma, Trico 0.2
Oxycodone 0.1

Overdose Threshold

Reagent units
Oxycodone 20
Meralyne, Dermaline 15
Bicaridine, Kelotane, Tricordazine 30

IMO painkillers should always be stacked with regenerative drugs. Damage is a source of pain. Painkillers let me ignore damage up to a threshold; Regenerative drugs remove the source of pain. If the source of pain is not treated, I am continuously stacking up combat damage up to that threshold, which is what happens when traditional UNGA stops healing me.

@Up2Something makes a valid point about the OD issue. There’s still Oxycodone left in my system after I take UNGA.

Here’s a recipe that’s tuned for metabolic balance.

UNGA Flask with less Oxy

UNGA Flask with less Oxy

Bica Kelo Mera Derma Trico Oxy (2:2:2:2:2:1 Ratio)

Doses Total Health Healed Healing Duration Painkilling Duration
1 sip 9 HP 5 s 5 s
12 sips 109 HP 55 s 55 s
Healing Rate
2 HP/s
OD Threshold
24 sips (2 bottles)

Recipe:

Put 60u Oxy not 120u in the following recipe: Chemistry - CM-SS13 - Wiki


Comparing traditional UNGA with it’s Oxy tuned variant reveals a 55 second period of vulnerability when the healing and painkilling is out of sync.

Traditional UNGA Flask Time Frame Reagents In System (u)
- Oxycodone Everything Else
90u Top Up (1 & 1/2 flasks) 0 15 15
50 10 5
vulnerability starts —> 100 5 0
150 0 0
90u Top Up (5 sec drink time, 55 second vulnerability in total) 155 15 15
205 10 5
vulnerability starts —> 255 5 0
305 0 0
  • This is a personal vulnerability. Most marines would prefer the lefover Oxy in their system.
UNGA flask w/ Less Oxy Time Frame (sec) Reagents In System (u)
- Oxycodone Everything Else
80u Top Up (1 & 1/3 flasks) 0 7.27 14.55
vulnerability starts —> 73 0.00 0.00
80u Top Up (5 sec drink time & vulnerability) 78 7.27 14.55
—> 150 0.00 0.00
80u Top Up (5 sec drink time) 155 7.27 14.55
—> 228 0.00 0.00
80u Top Up (5 sec drink time) 233 7.27 14.55
—> 306 0.00 0.00

But regardless of how the traditional recipe is tuned, a flask of UNGA still heals for less than a minute. A push may last longer than 2 minutes, and the drugs wearing off forces me to pull out of the front line too soon to get a refill and burn through the FOB’s UNGA supply to fill up my six flasks. ᵇˡᵃᵐᵉ ʲᵘⁿᵏᶦᵉ ʲᵒⁿᵉˢ ᶠᵒʳ ᵗʰᵃᵗ

UNGA can be tuned to further extend it’s duration to reduce the frequency of juggling my drugs to pre-med myself, but at the cost of healing rate and versatility. Then it becomes Emergency Autoinjector, something marines get in limited supply to prevent them from accidentally overdosing themselves from poorly timed doses. The original injector also has unbalanced ratios. (Bica Kelo Oxy 3:3:2)


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no no I mean, why make anything but unga version for pills for marines. You cut out the burn part for instance and marines have to find something else to help with burns.

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The drug can be tuned. Meralyne can be swapped out for either Tricordazine, Kelotane, or Dermaline to treat burns, but the drug will always prioritize duration for reduced pre-med frequency. As a personal preference, I wear light armor and I’m always dodging acid attacks and getting clawed and need to constantly treat brute damage. There’s a bit of burn resistance in light armor.

For versatility you need a 2:2:1 mixture of Brute heal, Burn heal, and Painkillers which should last long, but its not at max duration. This can easily be produced by taking a bucket with you and raiding the FOB Wey-Med. ᵇˡᵃᵐᵉ ʲᵘⁿᵏᶦᵉ

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maintainers gonna patch this shit asap

if they do I hope it slowly replaces my character’s blood type with unga

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