Medeelel18 - Staff Report: Enforcement Action Taken - Segrain

[medeelel18]

Medeelel18 - Staff Report: Enforcement Action Taken - Segrain

What’s your BYOND key:

Medeelel18

Round ID:

21233

Your character name:

Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov

Their BYOND key:

Segrain

What are you reporting?:

Enforcement Action Taken

Description of the incident:

While as Quartermaster, I observed an incident where my CT was attacked in the hangarbay by a group of marines, (completely justified, and within reason) following some issue about him shooting someone with an HRR slug. I did not intervene, I just watched and made sure they didnt do anything too rash to my CT.

After the incident died down, I heard over the radio from my CT that people were vandalizing our department, and that he had to shoot someone, I ran back, and upon coming inside saw multiple marines breaking windows, saw mulitple broken windows, and the CT was hiding in the equipment room.

Some marines started to break windows (not to get out, to vandalize our department), I believe it was in retaliation for the event earlier and I responded by shooting one of them out with a HRR slug, and the smartgunner who then opened fire on the CT. I responded, by shooting an HRR slug at him, and when he opened fire again, I returned fire with my revolver.

Im not here to join to petty PR squad, so I kept this report short. Im not reporting anyone, im not arguing who’s right or who’s wrong, wether the CT, I, or SG was in the right. Im hoping to have the note removed.

Recorded - improper escalation. As quartermaster, arrived to requisitions to find a shovefight between a CT and some marines who broke in and were stabbing the windows to get out. Proceeded to shoot at marines with baton slugs, resulting in a lethal shootout. (Incident occured at the end of the round prior to this one.) by segrain (Maintainer) on 2024-03-09 16:52:03 (ID: 21233)

The note is neither direct at all, or convey what happened, unless somehow I have a catastrophic misunderstanding of the stiuation, which im pretty sure I dont since I saw most of it on video. There was no shove fight, these two marines were vandalizing requisitions, not trying to get out. Saying that I “proceeded to shoot at marines” sounds like I began to massacre people and innocent bystanders. I shot two people with baton slugs, both of which were trespassing, and one of which was actively bashing windows in.

Edits: Was not happy with what I wrote before, as it did not reflect what was said in the video

Evidence:

req shootout

[Segrain]

At about 00:25 into the video, the smartgunner is stabbing the window after you told them to get “out of here”. You then proceed to shoot her, and likewise shoot the medic who ends thrown out through the window he just has broken. A lethal firefight ensues, provoked solely by you using a lethal firearm over what was a disarm fight at most - I am generously describing the CT and intruding marines running after each other around racks as such, as nobody appears to be as much as hurt any.
After explaining the matter at length in the ticket, I genuinely do not understand what exactly still confuses you in this situation.

[Exolt]

Hey, I’m the CT Jack Exolt, To be honest it was my fault that caused the shootout, eariler before. I have used m79 grenade launcher with the baton on a charile SL at the hangar which made the situation worse. Then they followed me to REQ,

Charile SL came to REQ and destroy windows because I shot him with a baton. A few marines disarmed me, then shot me back with the baton. But Charile SL was still wanting revenge he came to REQ with a mob, Like the SG and Medic , They started breaking windows and I as a true american gave warning shots with my pistol , not aiming for them.
The SG and other marines not sure who, came in REQ and started breaking shit.

We shot the SG with a baton slug , which is for me. Non-lethal. Which gave him a fair warning aswell. I tried disarming him to get him out. The SG turned off his IFF to shoot me. I simply responded back with my pistol and shot him. This turn into the shootout where the QM saw everything and acted accordingly to the situation. I’m not sure who ahelpled it but was solved In-Character.

[medeelel18]

@Segrain

At about 00:25 into the video, the smartgunner is stabbing the window after you told them to get “out of here”

The smartgunner was not trying to leave, they trespassed and then ran over to the next window they could reach with a knife to break open, even before I said anything to them and its clearly shown in the video.

[Exolt]

I will make it more clear for you, The MOB from the hangar followed me to REQ for revenge , AFTER I shot him once with a baton slug, They clearly breaking shit to get back at us. The SG ,SL and some other marine came literally to our windows and started breaking stuff.

Before the main MOB came, I shot but missed at the CHARILE SL to warn him, He did not do anything and still breaking windows. I ran away to the equipment room to call my QM to help me. The QM saw the SG was breaking windows, And I taking my gun out. The SG thought this was a threat and shot me, I returned fire at the SG but running out of ammo to shoot him, Luckily QM had his revolver and killed the threat. The Combat Medic then revived the SG , He didn’t cause anymore problems then and it was settled in character.

[goshflipheck]

Yeah I’m Charlie SL in the video. If Medeelel’s account of getting a warning for

As quartermaster, arrived to requisitions to find a shovefight between a CT and some marines who broke in and were stabbing the windows to get out. Proceeded to shoot at marines with baton slugs, resulting in a lethal shootout. (Incident occured at the end of the round prior to this one.)

Is true, this note does not describe the situation at all really in my opinion accurately. The CT above in the thread, Jack Exolt, had baton slugged me in the hangar. We dealt with it ICly by fighting and chasing each other and having fun, to which several other members joined in after realizing the situation. The QM got in on this to back his CT up. Eventually Jack went to REQ, I ended up there and found him, and vandalized the windows as you can see in the video for getting baton slugged and shoved around by the rude cargo staff Stanford wanted revenge against along with several other people. The QM returned to cargo after Jack on the radio said people were breaking stuff, you can see that in the video. EVEN MORE IMPORTANT IS EXOLT SAYING OVER THE RADIO LETHALS WERE USED.
If Medeelel received this ticket solely for using a baton slug on two marines who have broken into requisitions and are actively vandalizing more windows (not trying to break them to escape, they had literally just entered seconds earlier), I think that should be said here and it would end lots of confusion, and the note amended so it doesn’t sound so much in at least my and I believe medeelel’s opinion so harsh and frankly not representative of the situation. Notes are permanent if this SR fails right?
With how the note was written it seriously makes this entire situation look 100% worse for someone’s record.
While escalation has to be redone again after ending the initial confrontation and can’t be carried over later, I think it would be very valuable to consider the past interactions everyone in the video had and include that context in the note if kept. I also don’t think anyone in the video was breaking windows to exit requisitions, I think me and my fellow vandalizers were trying to get revenge. Nor do I think him firing the baton slugs led to the shoot out. If firing the baton slugs in this exact context was improper escalation then OK, up to you guys, I’m not staff, but as said above as a direct participant in this I can see why medeelel has made this SR. I would also like to clarify I actually had a lot of fun that round and did not ahelp.

Segrain, I don’t see how ’ A lethal firefight ensues, provoked solely by you using a lethal firearm over what was a disarm fight at most’ quoting you above is true, and I am pretty confused personally on that, and I’m sure medeelel is similarly confused. The CT in the video very clearly chases towards Delta SG with his pistol, wields his pistol, and points, and is in turn shot by Delta SG. Delta SG does not shoot the QM who hit him with a baton slug, Alpha HM does not shoot the QM who baton slugged them. How do these actions mean medeelel solely provoked a firefight where the first shots weren’t even directed towards him? In the video, it looks like he used appropriate force and responsive escalation to his coworker and friend being lethally shot at in the video by helping to down Delta SG. I think answering that could help.

[Steelpoint]

Correct round ID is 21232.

For testing purposes I did a offline check of the Grenade Launcher using a slug round, the rounds deal a consistent 15 damage, with a high chance of bleeding damage, against a Marine target, as well as the stun. This was tested ensuring the target did not strike a wall or glass window so no additional damage is taken.

Logs are posted below.

Involved Parties

Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov | Quartermaster | Medeelel18
Segrain | Reported Staff

These logs are from before the video.

This log shows the QM firing their baton grenade launcher prior to the video, there are no logs to indicate who or what they were firing at.

The inital shot before the video, about a minute prior

Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:34:21.545 21232 ATTACK ATTACK: Medeelel18/(Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov) fired a grenade (�HIRR baton slug) from a (�M79 grenade launcher (Wielded)).
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:34:21.545 21232 GAME GAME: Medeelel18/(Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov) used a grenade (�M79 grenade launcher (Wielded)).

Back at cargo.

The Cargo Tech, Jack Exolt, fires a warning shot at a intruder, which misses.

Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:34:01.188	21232	SAY	SAY: Jack Exolt [1]: I have a right to defend myelf. (CKEY: ) (JOB: Cargo Technician)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:34:21.842	21232	SAY	SAY: Jack Exolt [Req]: Fuckers breaking cargo stuff. (CKEY: ) (JOB: Cargo Technician)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:34:25.318	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: The pistol bullet, fired by /(Jack Exolt), narrowly missed /(Hunter ‘Stafford’ Stanford)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:34:34.568	21232	SAY	SAY: Jack Exolt [1]: Warning shots! (CKEY: ) (JOB: Cargo Technician)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:34:48.830	21232	SAY	SAY: Jack Exolt [Req]: I have used lethals. (CKEY: ) (JOB: Cargo Technician)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:34:52.002	21232	SAY	SAY: Jack Exolt [Req]: It’s fine. (CKEY: ) (JOB: Cargo Technician)

I can not find any other relevant logs.

These logs below essentially what occurs in the video posted in the OP.

QM notices the intrusion and orders the intruders to leave.

Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:05.326	21232	SAY	SAY: Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov [1]: What the FUCK. (CKEY: Medeelel18) (JOB: Quartermaster)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:09.587	21232	SAY	SAY: Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov [1]: Out of here. (CKEY: Medeelel18) (JOB: Quartermaster)

QM fires HIRR baton slugs at the intruders

The game does not appear to present visible logs of the people struck by the batons, but video evidences corroborates who was struck.

Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:12.273	21232	GAME	GAME: Medeelel18/( Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov) used a grenade (�M79 grenade launcher (Wielded)).
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:12.273	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: Medeelel18/( Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov) fired a grenade (�HIRR baton slug) from a (�M79 grenade launcher (Wielded)).

The above slug struck Anna Raider, the Delta Smartgunner.

|Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:16.458|21232|ATTACK|ATTACK: Medeelel18/( Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov) fired a grenade (�HIRR baton slug) from a (�M79 grenade launcher (Wielded)).|
|Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:16.458|21232|GAME|GAME: Medeelel18/( Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov) used a grenade (�M79 grenade launcher (Wielded)).|

This second slug struck Hunter ‘Stafford’ Stanford, the Alpha Corpsman.

After a standoff, a gunfight ensures.

Delta Smartgunner is first to fire, with Cargo Tech Jack Exolt responding.

The Quartermaster also opens fire.

Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:21.366	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: /(Anna Raider) shot /(Jack Exolt) with an armor-piercing smartgun bullet in the �Requisitions (JMP) (PM)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:27.167	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: /(Jack Exolt) shot /(Anna Raider) with a pistol bullet in the �Requisitions (JMP) (PM)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:27.317	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: The pistol bullet, fired by /(Jack Exolt), narrowly missed /(Anna Raider)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:27.568	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: The pistol bullet, fired by /(Jack Exolt), narrowly missed /(Anna Raider)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:28.517	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: The marksman revolver bullet, fired by Medeelel18/( Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov), narrowly missed /(Anna Raider)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:28.768	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: /(Anna Raider) shot /(Jack Exolt) with a smartgun bullet in the �Requisitions (JMP) (PM)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:29.118	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: Medeelel18/( Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov) shot /(Anna Raider) with a marksman revolver bullet in the �Requisitions (JMP) (PM)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:30.167	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: Medeelel18/( Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov) shot /(Anna Raider) with a marksman revolver bullet in the �Requisitions (JMP) (PM)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:30.668	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: Medeelel18/( Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov) shot /(Anna Raider) with a marksman revolver bullet in the �Requisitions (JMP) (PM)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:31.317	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: Medeelel18/( Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov) shot /(Anna Raider) with a marksman revolver bullet in the �Requisitions (JMP) (PM)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:31.768	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: /(Anna Raider) shot /(Jack Exolt) with a smartgun bullet in the �Requisitions (JMP) (PM)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:31.818	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: Medeelel18/( Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov) shot /(Anna Raider) with a marksman revolver bullet in the �Requisitions (JMP) (PM)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:32.167	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: /(Anna Raider) shot /(Jack Exolt) with a smartgun bullet in the �Requisitions (JMP) (PM)
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:35:32.456	21232	ATTACK	ATTACK: Anna Raider has died to �M44 custom combat revolver at the �Requisitions from Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov

The conclusion leaves the Delta Smartgunner deceased and the Cargo Tech wounded.

1st Adminhelp Log

Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:36:40.419	21232	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Segrain/()-> Medeelel18/(Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov): What happened there?
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:37:29.067	21232	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Medeelel18/(Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov)-> Segrain/(): So, I heard over the radio from my CT that people were breaking in req, and that he had shot lethals at them. I ran here, came here, people were bashing the windows in with knives, I shot one of them out of the room with a HRR baton slug and then the smartgunner opened fire on my CT
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:38:18.703	21232	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Segrain/()-> Medeelel18/(Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov): So… they were bashing windows and you decided to shoot them?
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:39:02.024	21232	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Medeelel18/(Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov)-> Segrain/(): Him and my CT were already fighting, my CT had shot him already, when I came in he was breaking windows, and brandishing his SG. I only shot him with lethals after he shot my CT
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:39:40.873	21232	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Segrain/()-> Medeelel18/(Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov): By the logs, you shot first.
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:39:59.432	21232	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Medeelel18/(Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov)-> Segrain/(): Can I show you a video? Let me upload to youtube
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:40:15.510	21232	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Segrain/()-> Medeelel18/(Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov): If you can make it quick.
Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:40:58.303	21232	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Medeelel18/(Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov)-> Segrain/(): https://youtu.be/-EdUlBDImdY It should take some time

The round ends, the following logs were all taken from the next round.

Note is added

Mar 9, 2024 @ 16:51:40.830 21233 ADMIN ADMIN: Segrain/( Segrain) has edited medeelel18’s Admin notes: Recorded - improper escalation. As quartermaster, arrived to requisitions to find a shovefight between a CT and some marines who broke in and were stabbing the windows to get out. Proceeded to shoot at marines with baton slugs, resulting in a lethal shootout. (Incident occured at the end of the round prior to this one.)

20 Minute gap from note being applied.

2nd Adminhelp Log

Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:09:34.310	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Segrain/(Working Joe #2673)-> Medeelel18/(Unknown (as Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov)): While you are not occupied, letting you know for the sake of formality. In your own video, you clearly start shooting baton slugs at the SG and medic who are not attacking anybody. Sure, they were trespassing and breaking your windows, but lethal force is still too much.
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:10:21.693	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Medeelel18/(Unknown (as Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov))-> Segrain/(Working Joe #2673): Segrain, im really trying to understand what I did was wrong but I just cant… I used baton slugs on them after they got into an altercation with my CT, were trespassing, and broke in. I dont understand how this breaks any rules
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:10:55.452	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Segrain/(Working Joe #2673)-> Medeelel18/(Unknown (as Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov)): You fired at them with lethal weapon and you do not understand how is it wrong?
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:11:10.309	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Medeelel18/(Unknown (as Sergeyevich ‘Omsk’ Morozov))-> Segrain/(Working Joe #2673): I didnt use lethals untill he started shooting my CT
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:12:08.888	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Segrain/(Working Joe #2673)-> Medeelel18/(Bloody Larva (505)): No, you clearly shoot them first as they are trying to break windows. Starting at about 0:25 in your video.
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:12:37.882	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Medeelel18/(Larva (505))-> Segrain/(Working Joe #2673): They were literally, vandalizing our department. I used non lethals, how is that against the rules?
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:12:50.465	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Segrain/(Working Joe #2673)-> Medeelel18/(Larva (505)): You did not use non lethals. You fired slugs at them.
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:13:13.862	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Medeelel18/(Larva (505))-> Segrain/(Working Joe #2673): I used an m79 grenade launcher with rubber slugs, how is that lethal?
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:13:39.104	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Segrain/(Working Joe #2673)-> Medeelel18/(Larva (505)): A stun baton is a nonlethal tool. A taser is a nonlethal tool. Your flash is a nonlethal tool. Firing into somebody a slug that can break his ribs is as lethal as it gets.
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:14:09.752	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Medeelel18/(Larva (505))-> Segrain/(Working Joe #2673): Okay,a chair can break your ribs, punching can break your ribs. Thats just kind of silly to make the connection like that
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:15:13.510	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Segrain/(Working Joe #2673)-> Medeelel18/(Larva (505)): And if you use those in excess, you might find yourself punished. For a grenade launcher, firing at somebody who is not fighting at all is an excess from the first shot. Yes, even with baton slugs.
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:17:07.644	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Medeelel18/(Larva (505))-> Segrain/(Working Joe #2673): He was vandalizing our department, I didnt use it in excess, I shot him once, then he shot my CT with an SG. If what I get, for listening on the radio, hearing that people are vandalizing our deparmtnet, and that my CT had to shoot them himself with his pistol in order to protect the department to which I respond to using NON LETHAL means is a note for IE then I literally have 0 idea what else is right or wrong
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:17:43.570	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Segrain/(Working Joe #2673)-> Medeelel18/(Larva (505)): You have a flash. Flash is non lethal. Baton slugs are lethal. That is what you do not seem to understand.
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:18:46.107	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Medeelel18/(Larva (505))-> Segrain/(Working Joe #2673): I dont understand how baton slugs are letahl, im not tracking here. We clearly arent understanding each other here
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:19:00.978	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Segrain/(Working Joe #2673)-> Medeelel18/(Larva (505)): Do you understand how bullets are lethal? Same principle.
Mar 9, 2024 @ 17:19:51.663	21233	ADMIN	ADMIN: PM: Medeelel18/(Larva (505))-> Segrain/(Working Joe #2673): Now im just sounding petty, just close this ticket because I literally do not understand, at all, what you are saying right now.

[medeelel18]

@Steelpoint

This log shows the QM firing their baton grenade launcher prior to the video, there are no logs to indicate who or what they were firing at.

Hi, I myself dont remember this, as the only two people I remember shooting were in the video.

These logs are probably just from me being bored and firing the GL at an empty tile, or having IFF on. But this does not ring a bell for me, so i’d assume it was something menial like shooting the floor.

[Biolock]

Hello everyone,

I actually found that video hilarious (especially the part where the medic got thrown through the window, that was prime), but let’s look at the report itself.

Your concern is geared against the note left on your account, so that is what we will address here.

First, the subsection of Rule 10: Lethal Force for which you were noted:

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Escalation

• Fists/General melee/MP tools
  • MP tools are not considered lethal weaponry. Unless a MP is shooting you, or using a baton on harm intent, you can’t respond lethally.
• Knives/Dangerous melee
• Lethal Weapons/Chemicals used as weapons
  • For example: Inaprovaline Overdoses, Chloral Hydrate, Tramadol/Oxycodone Overdoses
• If at any point combat is disengaged and both parties leave the area, you cannot skip escalation and plunge back into a fight. What’s done is done.

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Unfortunately, there is no category of tool reserved for “less than lethal” weapons which may be an identifier which one could ascribe to the HIRR baton slug.

Without that category, the slug can only be understood as a lethal weapon: as it is not an MP tool, and it is certainly not a melee weapon. Perhaps the escalation rules should be amended to compensate for the existence of certain weapons, however no such article exists at this time. If you would like to suggest a rule change, it can be done in the policy feedback section, and if new language was introduced we could re-evaluate this note; currently, the HIRR slug can only fit into the category of lethal weapons.

Because the nature of your targets is not necessarily clear: whether they were trying to get out or were rather intent on continuing to vandalize requisitions, I will have your note amended to reflect that ambiguity (or at least not submit that you were firing on retreating marines). As far as this staff report goes, a binary is insufficient to describe the final verdict. I will be listing this report as denied because the charge levied is not being changed, nor is any action being taken against Segrain, however that is not to discard the desires of the report entirely.