Mistermoon - Staff Report: Enforcement Action Taken - Vending Machine
What’s your BYOND key:
Mistermoon
Round ID:
29895
Your character name:
John JC Crimson
Their BYOND key:
Vending Machine
What are you reporting?:
Enforcement Action Taken
Description of the incident:
MPs had shot at me prior in the round during a jailbreak induced by Svato Plink, I was able to flee in which he started using a disabler once his revolver ran out of ammo in which I was hit once, no violent acts were committed by me or Plink before we were shot at and no attempts of non lethal detainment had been made, this typically means lethals have been authorised and the suspect is being treated as a hostile entity, I had contacted admins through Ahelp prior to make sure that it was still the case that under these circumstances you may also treat the MPs hostile considering it would be silly that an MP would be allowed to walk up to you with a shotgun and PB you with you not being allowed to do anything lest you want to face admin intervention.
Although I hadn’t been directly hit as the MP shooting had missed all shots, I described the incident in ahelp to make sure I was free to go through with this action, the moderator Vending Machine agreed I was allowed to shoot back at them, I believed the fact that I was using ahelp was more than enough notice to imply the engagement was over in which they agreed with me initially, however it was clear afterwards they thought I was getting actively shot at the time of the ahelp, he did investigate further, commenting on all shots being missed, yet never clarifying that escalation rules would still be treated as if I were a friendly force.
I met up with the one that had freed me earlier which was Svato Plink, who was also shot at by the MP that initially shot at me who (although not very valuable) could testify saying that lethals were shot at us, in which we agreed to go and try to free more people considering a number of important roles in the round had been arrested, this led to an engagement with brig being breached and some MPs dead with one decapped, this was a contentious point by Vending Machine stating I had intentionally decapped him even though it happened as part of a burst fire spray and so would have been difficult to avoid in the situation.
Considering once brig was breached the MPs had guns drawn anyway, it simply confirmed that the kill on sight order was being upheld in at least some regard so I proceeded with what I thought had been cleared by Vending Machine.
A similar situation happened a while ago in which a dialogue between forest and I happened in which he had agreed that once you are considered a hostile force by the MPs outside of escalation, you may retaliate the same assuming the actions have motive (self defence etc.) and as long as bystanders dont wind up victims
In whole I don’t believe he was acting maliciously, it is a delicate situation that had confusion on both sides and the logs can’t tell the whole story so if you were witness it would greatly help if you add your input.
Evidence:
— Initial ahelp messages —
PM to-Admins: MPs shot at me with lethals, can i fight back now, just checking to make sure
– Administrator private message –
Admin PM from-Vending Machine: if they’re using lethals, you can too. non-lethal mp tools count as fists or general melee
Click on the administrator’s name to reply.
— Decap happening not intentionally during a firefight —
John ‘JC’ Crimson has been hit in the chest by the M44 combat revolver.
You hear a loud cracking sound coming from Alexander Oblomov!3
34+1 / 40 ROUNDS REMAINING
Alexander Oblomov is hit by the armor-piercing rifle bullet in the head!
31+1 / 40 ROUNDS REMAINING
Alexander Oblomov is hit by the armor-piercing rifle bullet in the chest!
Alexander Oblomov seizes up and falls limp, their eyes dead and lifeless…
You hear a loud cracking sound coming from Larry ‘FAT’ Westland!
The wound on Alexander Oblomov’s chest widens with a nasty ripping noise.
28+1 / 40 ROUNDS REMAINING
Unknown (as Alexander Oblomov)'s head flies off in an arc!
— Chat logs after both me and Plink were shot at —
— Bystander in the cell commenting on the MP loading their revolver —
Jonah Kalervo says, “HE IS LOADING.”
Jonah Kalervo says, “HIS REVOLVER.”
— In the chat logs below it shows that a marksman round was shot at us, this can be located to the inital breakout with no combat logs between us or MPs prior —
Svato Plink shakes John ‘JC’ Crimson trying to wake him up!
The marksman revolver bullet misses Svato Plink!
Jonah Kalervo says, “WOAH.”
Jonah Kalervo asks, “LETHALS?”
John ‘JC’ Crimson says, “SHOTS FIRED.”
— Conversations after the matter —
John ‘JC’ Crimson says, “I was merely seeking freedom and they started SHOOTING ME WITH LETHALS.”
John ‘JC’ Crimson says, “They shot at me with lethals dude.”
PFC Arianne ‘Vale’ Wehn says, “Damn”
PFC Arianne ‘Vale’ Wehn says, “Thats fucked up”
John ‘JC’ Crimson says, “They shot at me with lethals dude.”
PFC Arianne ‘Vale’ Wehn says, “Damn”
PFC Arianne ‘Vale’ Wehn says, “Thats fucked up”
John ‘JC’ Crimson says, “They shot at you too.”
