OriginalNaym - Player Report: Gokcen Demir, 11, Marine Law Mandatory Compliance

OriginalNaym - Player Report: Gokcen Demir, 11, Marine Law Mandatory Compliance

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OriginalNaym

Round ID:

25860

Your character name:

Duncan Wood

Accused character name:

What rule(s) were broken?:

Gokcen Demir

Description of the incident:

11, Marine Law Mandatory Compliance

Evidence:

Was the CMP, Demir was one of my MPs. It was code green throughout the entire incident.

They were patrolling, I assume near the CL’s office, and put out a call saying there was a survivor in there who hadn’t surrendered their weapons yet. According to their testimony later in the round, Demir saw the survivor holding the weapon, told them to hand it over, and the CL closed the shutters. They had no further contact from that point up until the rule break, about 30 seconds.

While I’m walking over, Demir asks over the radio for riot charges, which I decline and explain that I believe the situation can be resolved without such force. When I arrived, four or so MPs were present, so I led one to the back door in order to watch it and began walking back to the front to begin trying to establish communication with the people inside. At that moment, I get hit by a flashbang.

Unbeknownst to me, the front door had opened while I was away, and Demir immediately threw a flashbang into the open door. They did not testify that the weapon had been aimed at them, or was even in the room anymore. By the time I got back up, the weapon was no longer in the room.

Furthermore, after entering the office, Demir repeatedly ignored orders to de-escalate the situation and leave. I got on the radio and said “everybody get out of the office”. They ignored me. Once it was revealed that the survivor didn’t have the weapon anymore, she continued attempting to arrest them. I told her to stop, she said “I already told him he’s under arrest” and chased him down with a taser. Additionally, Demir attempted to avoid taking accountability for deploying the flashbang. I asked repeatedly who threw it and received no response. Another officer had to tell me after the fact.

Demir claimed there was an immediate threat to life present, which is absurd in my opinion. Every interaction with the people in the CL’s office took place behind the glass prior to the flashbang being thrown. And judging by the lack of any actual weapon in the room the flashbang was deployed in, no credible threat was present at the time it was used.

Ordinarily I would have assumed staff would have dealt with this. However, based on the fact that the character is played by a staff member and that follow-up conversations in LRC showed they believe their actions were acceptable (both factors indicate nobody with the power to sanction them has done so at time of writing), I think it’s necessary to have it reported at least for public record if nothing else.

Demir’s conduct was completely unbecoming of an MP, and of a staff member who ought to know better. Their actions on 12th January 2025 would have, if committed by any non-staff player, have led to a note at least. If the staff team holds people who play MP to a high standard with the justification that they are expected to serve as an IC replacement for having staff deal with minor disruptions (paraphrased quote from management), I would expect that those actual staff members themselves be held to a standard as well.

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Heya!
While I dont have anything to add to the flashbang thing I was also playing that round and I do have something to add regarding the whole situation that might be relevant to look at if logs are being looked into anyways.

So when the CL office stuff was called out over comms I also went to rush over there, but realizing I didnt have a gun yet I went to grab one first.
Good thing that I did do that since after I came out of the equipment room I saw the doctors leaving after having treated the hostile CLF surv. (that had already killed a bravo engie)
And uhh. Nobody was watching that guy. Brig was entirely empty besides the two doctors and the hostile CLF surv was left abandoned.
IIRC you were the one who was dealing with them and yeah idk I think its maybe worth looking into since as CMP you shouldnt be abandoning your prisoners unless you actually assign someone else to process and handle them. But you ESPECIALLY shouldnt be ditching a hostile known murderer and terrorist and leaving them without any MP supervision. That seems extremely irresponsible and if I had to apply some ML charge it’d be neglect of duty.

So yeah if this is being looked into anyways please also look into that. Since its kinda related and also probably mostly the same logs anyways.

Clairon although I respect you, this seems like a last-ditch effort to defend your metabuddy you coordinated to play with as MP. I was one of the MPs that round, and Gocken clearly violated SOP and therefore ML, there was no threat from my opinion posed by the CL or the other survivor. When the office was banged and breached upon searching the survivors they had no firearms in the room with them. Therefore, the defense of “I was fearing for the safety of myself or others” is not valid. While Duncan did leave the brig unattended, he did so because one of his MPs was breaching the CLs office with riot tools on green alert. Which is against marine law. I would like to also point out that the CLF survivor was DNR upon being received shipside and I don’t believe had a soul. I also would like to point out that there was no warden and therefore the CMP was limited in options in dealing with this situation.

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I promise that its not. I didnt even really defend Nessie here since I really dont know anything about that situation. I just looked at the report, thought if I had anything to add and then remembered “Didnt the CMP also abandon the CLF surv while responding to that?”.
And yeah in regards to arriving DNR. I honestly have no clue. I only checked their pulse when I started writing up the charges after securing them and noticed then that they didnt have one.
I wasnt involved at all ever with the CLF surv thats why I also got kinda confused when it was up to me to do something about them.

But yeah this really isnt me trying to “Defend my metabuddy”. Its just that the situation is so related and I didnt feel like making a seperate report if relevant logs are getting pulled for it anyways.

I’d post my stock image of an NFL referee throwing a flag down but I’m on my phone about to go to bed. Dude was completely logged out and in handcuffs, and iirc another officer was present in the brig when I left besides yourself. He was cryoed by somebody while I was at the CL’s office, not sure if it was you or another MP.

Besides the point though, since you were an MP. MP in brig with prisoner means the legal requirement is fulfilled in accordance with Marine Law - Protection and Medical Treatment paragraph 1.

I wouldn’t have expected an attempt at distracting from the point of this report like this, but it was definitely an interesting challenge to meet. Respect to you.

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Hello, due to staff shake-ups I’ll be handling this hopefully within the next few days.

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This report is accepted.

Nessie will be recieving a perma ba- Punishment.

The reasoning for this punishment is: Throwing a flashbang in a non riot scenario on green. This means that Nessie broke the Mandatory Obedience rule by way of Failure to Follow Procedure as an MP. This automatically nets the MP a neglect of duty charge as well, since they broke the law plus rule 11.
As for the canceled arrest, I saw nothing wrong with, and it probably should not have been canceled.

If anyone is reading this, in the future my recommendation is that we wait to throw our flashbangs until blue or even red alert, or if there is an actual riot scenario.

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