Revert the Acid protection on Heavy Armor

Blue-Lou · August 30, 2024, 10:49am

Renamed M3-H armor to M3-EOD armor and specialized it against ballistic and explosive damage.

cmss13-devs:master ← carlarctg:eod

opened 06:56PM - 01 Dec 22 UTC

## About The Pull Request Added extra desc_lore from Misty's armor renaming P…R. Heavy armor protects a lot more from bullets and explosions, but doesn't protect any more than medium armor does against acid anymore. ## Why It's Good For The Game > Heavy armor protects a lot more from bullets and explosions, but doesn't protect any more than medium armor does against acid anymore. As per https://discord.com/channels/150315577943130112/458150341742166017/1047942193630957610 This effectively specializes 'heavy armor' in HvH to a degree. It will reduce damage from FF and explosions. a full buckshot PB will for example put you in softcrit but still allow you to walk around, while the same with medium armor would cause you to fall unconscious. You can survive 1 more burst of m41, mod88, and 1 more l42 shot before being softcritted. Effectively it just means you can fight at the frontline for longer. Amusingly this means it's stronger than legacy b18... but who cares. I was also considering increasing internal damage resistance further, but I'm unsure. ## Changelog :cl: balance: M3-H armor renamed to M3-EOD armor. balance: M3-EOD armor is now highly resistant to ballistics and explosives, and has lost its additional acid protection. /:cl:

“but doesn’t protect any more than medium armor does against acid anymore.”

Now that we can properly specialize stuff for just HVH we should revert the change to acid protection back to being stronger as now it’s meant for HVH despite HVH using a diffrent set of values.

N.H.C · August 30, 2024, 4:30pm

Agreed. Having an armor that has only advantages in HvH in HvX only servers as noob bait. Wich aint a good thing.

Willzadl · August 30, 2024, 7:18pm

i thought that it also gives increased slash protection? or at least reduced fracture chance etc

Cabal · August 30, 2024, 7:24pm

Pulled from the code like a month ago, or a bit more.

EOD armor has 5 more slash armor and 5 more acid armor. Also unspecified tier higher in internal protection, no idea how this translates. So it is stronger.

In HvX it specialises against FF. You still get fucked if you get hit by any kind of AP, so B12 is objectively better, lacking only bomb and bullet protection in exchange for armor slot and medium armor speed. It has even better energy armor (pred shit I guess).

N.H.C · August 30, 2024, 11:44pm

It does a bit, but its mainly balanced around HvH factors. Being able to handel some more FF doesnt really matter by how bullet dmg is balanced in HvX. Thats why armor and bullet dmg are changed for HvH, because the ttk is otherwise way to small.

In the end, its an armor with its main advantages being for HvH. And the stuff more fitting for HvX is only there as an afterthought basicly. Its balanced for HvH, notz HvX.

Blue-Lou · August 31, 2024, 12:25am

github.com/cmss13-devs/cmss13

EOD Buffs

cmss13-devs:master ← IroquoisLou:Heavy_armor

opened 12:23AM - 31 Aug 24 UTC

IroquoisLou

+3 -3

# About the pull request Changes the EOD armours Acid and Energy protection. … # Explain why it's good for the game The EOD armour had it's acid resistance lowered to make it better suit HVH, now that HVH uses different values I see no reason to keep it lowered, additionally I've buffed the Energy levels to match the B12 armour. # Testing Photographs and Procedure <details> <summary>Screenshots & Videos</summary> Put screenshots and videos here with an empty line between the screenshots and the `<details>` tags. </details> # Changelog :cl: balance: Buffed the EOD armours Energy and Acid protection to make it better in HVX. /:cl:

I buffed the energy while i was at it because B12

N.H.C · August 31, 2024, 1:59am

Did you change the desciption to fit the stats better? It currently states it doestn give any better bio protection.

Otherwise badass. Heavy armor being the go to armor for comtecs that are like “My faith is my shield” while they body block 3 xenos and repair the hole in the cadeline is a thing that we really need.

Cabal · August 31, 2024, 6:28am

That is a buff alright, but the armor still is shit and it is still better to buy B12 and get other shit from your PFC vendor from req.
Still a noob bait to be honest.

And in HvH mode Heavy Armor has the same stats except more internal damage ressistance.

github.com/cmss13-devs/cmss13

Buff Marine Armour During HvH

cmss13-devs:master ← Steelpoint:armourvalue

opened 05:40PM - 12 Aug 24 UTC

Steelpoint

+77 -1

# About the pull request If the Faction Clash HvH game mode is enabled, this …PR will buff all Marine armours to have significantly higher bullet, bomb and/or internal_damage (internal_damage reduces the chance of internal injuries like fractures) armour values. Some values are reduced in a few cases but buffed in others however. The explicit changes are as follows: **Medium** (Includes Smartgunner, B12, IO) - Bullet: 30 (from 20) - Bomb: 20 (from 15) - Internal: 30 (from 20) **Light** - Bullet: 20 (from 15) - Bomb: 15 (from 20) - Internal: 25 (from 10) **Heavy** - Bullet: 35 (from 35) - Bomb: 35 (from 35) - Internal: 30 (from 25) **MP** (Includes CO, XO, SO armours) - Bullet: 30 (from 20) - Bomb: 25 (from 20) - Internal: 30 (from 15) Synthetic armour is unchanged in both game modes. Spec armours also get buffs similar to Medium armour, B18 gets a slight boost over normal. I have decided against effecting similar changes to Helmets, Gloves and Boots at this time. # Explain why it's good for the game HvH is extremely lethal, especially so for Marines as their armour is not well suited to shrugging off bullets and bombs. Whilst this change does not significantly reduce the overall time to kill of Marines in combat, it does significantly reduce the occurrence rate of a marine suffering excessive fractures and internal bleeding from being gunned down. From testing, you should see less cases of a marine suffering three to fix fractures, and more cases of a marine suffering zero to two fractures when gunned down from full health with standard ammunition. Death remains punishing, but it will be far less oppressive once you are revived. # Testing Photographs and Procedure <details> <summary>Screenshots & Videos</summary> Put screenshots and videos here with an empty line between the screenshots and the `<details>` tags. </details> # Changelog :cl: balance: If the 'Faction Clash' human versus human game mode is enabled, all marine armours will have their defensive values significantly buffed to make marine armour far more valuable and effective in resisting permanent damage. The average Marine should experience less fractures and other permanent wounds from gunfire. /:cl:

It was even planned to nerf Heavy Armor during HvH.

I think with heavy you can easly go overboard, give it massive acid and energy ressistance and it would still be mid at best. Feet are still uncovered, so acid spray would still do the same damage, but would be a big middle finger to certain prae strains and spitters.