Sevatar27 - Player Report: Mason "Stay Calm" Spike, Rules 2, 3, 4, 8, 11

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Sevatar27 - Player Report: Mason “Stay Calm” Spike, Rules 2, 3, 4, 8, 11

What’s your BYOND key?

Sevatar27

Round ID:

25517

Your character name:

Aldrik Wynters

Accused character name:

What rule(s) were broken?:

Mason “Stay Calm” Spike

Description of the incident:

Rules 2, 3, 4, 8, 11

Evidence:

Right. This is going to be a very short recap of a very long incident that spanned two rounds. Aldrik and Spike are both MP’s.
Round 1. Mason Spike (henceforth referred to as Spike) ignored Aldrik (Henceforth referred to as me/I/Aldrik) several times, before coming off rude and dismissive once a CMP woke up. Spike then broke several different marine laws (DASO, Insub, Unauthed Deployment) and showed a completely different opinion of how MP Rules/Prodecure should be followed, which I was very vocal about. In the end, Spike was demoted from the MP department.

Intermission- MC lived the previously mentioned round, and so thus I thought it is ‘valid’ to have Aldrik reference to it as a previous deployment where he served with Spike. I have done this with several other people. Connor Scott, Frank Leigh, Oswald Aalto, Samuel Albert, Firebat Kaith, Solis, and it hasn’t been an issue!

Round 2. Right. Aldrik wakes up, does his normal gearing, except now he’s moved onto being a MP Warden! This is a new role, and he is excited for it… Early on, a GP calls for an arrest on a DCC for a whole bunch of shit, that in the end, the GP is proven right on. (This minorly factors into our story later!). Aldrik apparently missed the first call to deal with this, so he double times it… Only to find Spike having the DCC doing a pseudo appeal (explained in a moment) in the medical lobby. So. First things first, I instantly try to get a handle on the situation, and I ask why the DCC hasn’t been brigged yet (which is standard procedure before any appeal). Spike says they haven’t been arrested, and I ask why they are filing out an appeal (Formal paper with APPEAL on it) and Spike says its not an Appeal. Okay. odd. I try and talk to him about this, he says he knows what he’s going in the pursuit of justice, and then says I have a lot to learn. So. Remember our intermission? I instantly bring that up, and he brings my mental facilities into question because HE claims it didn’t happen. I try to RP proving it out and it just falls apart. This sets the rest of the round on a downward spiral with us trading barbs (I’m not innocent, I’m not going to claim that). He keeps trying to get MP’s who are waking up on his side, he has… Irwin? Or Malcolm? (I’m sorry Synth’s I love you but I can’t remember in this case.) pull up the most recent definition of disrespect, and say that he’s not disrespecting me because it doesn’t fit that definition, despite the Synth asking “Is it factual?” At no point does he ask the CMP or CMO to check my mental state, he just insults me. I’m trying to point out to the CMP that Spike keeps violating procedure and marine law, and its just being pushed off. Spike and me trade barbs during the DCC Appeal, and the GP arrest/appeal, and it ends up with me, the CMP and Spike in the CMP’s office. The CMP does some RP, Spike pokes at me more, (I acknowledge my mistake of letting me temper get the better of me, Spike says he doesn’t think I’ll apologize/I’m capable of saying sorry) but in the end, nothing is done about Spike and Aldrik ends up shooting himself in the Warden Office. (I’m fucking pissed, I rage ghost, end of round. I talked to… Sergain about it, and I’ve clarified what is appropriate suicide time)

Right. This covers the two rounds, and now we’ll talk about why I think it (possibly) violates 5 different rules.

Rule 2- Human Roleplaying Standards. Playing a MP with a ego/attitude/own belief is perfectly fine, but when it starts to violate Marine Law repeatedly, I feel like it is low RP for someone in a MP role, considering we are held to a higher standard. We are bound to follow marine law under heavy penality, and having a MP who’s entire modus operandi seems to be doing things their own way goes against that.

Rules 3 and 4, Community Expectations and No Griefing, get combined here into “Don’t Be a Dick, and Trying to Annoy for No RP reason”
Which… That might sound odd, Sev/Aldrik, you’ve established a pretty good RP reason for the bantering/back and forth/arguing. BUT! Here’s the problem.
I brought up to Spike the previous deployment, which he said DID NOT HAPPEN, and thus my mental facilities were strained (or something along those lines). So. He’s established in RP this never happened, or atleast tried to. So. This means that the constant hostility had no place. So. It seems rather dickish (to me) to keep poking and prodding and trying to get a reaction etc… Either the previous events happened, and thus the hostility is valid, or it never happened, and having a round long grudge makes no sense. These two I’m… unsure on because I was unable to speak to Spike OOC and establish if there was a OOC problem/meta grudge, but it certainly feels like one was there, so… That’s why this is included

Rules 8 and 11. Use your slot and Marine Law. These tie together for this report.
By violating Marine Law in regard to how arrests are to be carried out (Being given a lawful arrest order and taking 40 minutes to fulfill it, not taking the suspect to the brig, not processing them, letting them start an appeal before being brigged… Saying there was “no need” to inform someone of their rights…)
Following that up, Marine Law was also violated in the brigging AND appeal procedure. Spike wanted to ignore Detainment and Brig Procedures, and allow the DCC to keep their uniform, boots (with a knife in it) and the radio. They then avoided telling the DCC their rights (Because there was ‘no need’).
Now, this ties into rule 8 because… well Spike is clearly not using their slot correctly. They’ve already been demoted out of MP position once, and then continued to use their own form of justice/approach to Marine Law, simply responding that “you have a lot to learn” whenever called out on violations, or simply ignoring being called out.
He also violated chain of command, and how disagreements should be handled. It is clearly stated that “MP’s disagree on edge cases the Marine Law rank structure must be followed. High Command > Commanding Officer > Chief MP > Warden > MP”. I was playing as a Warden in this situation, and Spike tried to pull rank/say he had more experience etc, when the Law clearly states otherwise.

All in all… I think this demonstrates a lack of caring for Marine Law as long as they can do it in THEIR way. I do not have exact logs for everything mentioned, but I hope those can be pulled! To clarify, Round 1 was being used as supporting evidence, and is NOT the source of the rule breaks/player report here.

I… think that’s everything. I’ve made my case. I will state I tried to reach out to Spike on discord to talk to them before I submitted this, but I heard no response.

I accept whatever the outcome is, and I also accept that I may be disciplined because of how I acted. (Nothing outrageous IMO, but uh, I might be wrong!)

Thank you for your time.

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Hey there, @sevatar! I am bit confused, you’re telling us two different incidents happened in two different rounds and numbered them “Round 1 and Round 2”, but you gave us one round ID. I believe the last incident happened in 25517, but I couldn’t find the round ID for the first incident, could you help me with it?

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Yes! Sorry for the confusion Nessie, (I tried to clarify but clearly I didn’t do a good enough job!)
Round 1 was being used as context/explanation for why I think rules were being broken in round 2. Round 2 is the ID submitted, because that’s where I think the rules were broken. (First time is whatever, second time I thought okay this is a pattern)
If that is an issue, I can remove the reference’s to round 1, I was going to include it in my details anyway (I.E, Because of a previous round this was happening…) So I wanted to give the details of that round as well, to hopefully give as much information as I could!
(Minor edits for spelling/grammer etc)

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We’ve found the round ID for the first incident, you don’t need to edit your report.

I will handle this report in 24 hours.

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Thank you! My apologies, this is my first player report and so uh, not quite sure what I am doing! Thank you for your understanding!

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I was the dickhead GP. I had called for the arrest of the DCC. I assure you that the call to arrest was legitimate. I understand that calling for the arrest of them was shitty and snitch-like of me. But please understand as well that I was annoyed, and officer roles that have been playing much longer than me call for shittier arrests all the time.

Idk what/when the Medbay thing went down. But I do know that CMP immediately asked for my testimony. I immediately gave it over radio, and yet 20-25 minutes after my arrest order, Spike walks onto my ship, with the DCC in tow (uncuffed) and asks for my testimony on a piece of paper. I tell him no, I’m busy & I already gave my testimony to the CMP, but if he really needs me to re-iterate it, I can say it to him, but I don’t have time to write it down. He stares at me and starts going “Hm… okay…”, or something like that - I ask him why the DCC hasn’t been arrested yet, and he says, “Well, uh, I need to do uh… paperwork” - that’s pretty much a quote.

About 40 minutes after my arrest order, they’ve finally brigged the DCC. 50 minutes after my arrest order, the DCC is declared entirely innocent of insubordination based on (???) and the same folks that declared the DCC innocent decide I’m guilty of Prevarication. I am immediately brigged for 20 minutes and the CMP dares me to player report them (hilarious considering it took them 40 minutes to decide to brig the DCC). I then try to appeal. The appeal takes the entire 20 minutes as Spike is repeatedly interrupting me, talking over the SO that’s giving the appeal, and spamming the chat with accusations of me.

Warden (who made this report) was the only one that was understanding the entire round and felt, like me, that the refusal to arrest the DCC for 40 minutes, then declaring them innocent with 0 proof, then deciding I’m guilty of prevarication with 0 proof, was grief.

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This uh. Yeah. I don’t want to sound like an echo-chamber or like I’m teaming up on anything, but this is a pretty accurate representation of the entire process. Spike even admitted to walking in/taunting the GP with the uncuffed DC during the meeting with the CMP, and the CMP was like “nope, I threw out the notes, it doesn’t matter”.
I will admit/note/comment(?) that I did pull the GP aside and explain LOOC that something was going on with Spike, and I was trying to resolve it.
Thank you for adding onto this!

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Well, I shall then explain my perspective, of course will be doing it in parts.

This specific case occured when the player who played “Wyatt Gomez” was present as CMP (That guy is new), with him “demoting” me after saying that I had “Deployed without authorization” on Alamo, which wasn’t true. What had actually occured (Admin Stalkerino heard my explanations at the time, you can ask him) is that I saw that Alamo’s DP had parked a caterpillar on the entrance of the cockpit (blocking completely the entrance of anyone who didn’t have caterpillar training) and I decided to ask the Pilot to move the caterpillar to the cargo area of the dropship, so there wouldn’t be any issues in a possible siege that was likely to occur (but didn’t happen). Problem was that, the Pilot launched the DS while I was asking him, and the Pilot only agreed on following what I asked AFTER the dropship was already grounside, being that the reason to why I dropped to groundside and needed to cycle straight back up onboard the Almayer again. The CMP thought I was “deploying without authorization” given my “lack of communication” about my accidental drop, while of course there was no t-comms groundside, and then for some reason decided to consider “disrespectful” every answer I had about to why I had committed that “unauthorized deployment”. The insubordination charge was for actually going to the ARES core and asking for a music without telling him [I didn’t knew I had to ask(Because I didn’t need to)].

He was, actually, quoting all the time I was demoted from the MP force on that previous round while I was literally playing as MP (How could I be demoted if I literally still work on the damn department) on that “round two”, which makes no actual sense.

I said five times in-game and I will make it explicit here: I wasn’t appealing anyone, I had given the prisoner an appeal document for them to write their side of the story, so I could then speak with the GP about what had actually happened, the DCC had been previously ordered to step down from Alamo, and was already apprehended by me, with no actual use of force being needed at all (The prisoner was extremely lawful and polite, following every direction given to them). The GP refused to talk because the CMP of that round had already “heard him over the radio”, so I just directed the DCC to the brig, while in the way I also called the ASO (Tex Contreras) to proceed with the DCC’s appeal. When I arrived at the brig, the prisoner was removed from most of their belongings and celled, at the time the CMP had an interview with Alamo’s PO about how much the GP’s had asked the DCC to do the “loading work” for them, and Alamo PO reported that the GP didn’t had actually called the DCC over the radio at all, I have a screenshot of the transcript here:

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As so, I considered that the prisoner uniform wouldn’t be needed, and removing them from most of their belongings (Leaving their uniform, boots that still needed the knife removed, and headset) would be enough, given that the appealing officer was literally at the scene and we had all written down and with a clear evidence, it could be wrong and Stalkerino told me it in fact was, but it was clear, and we worked with that. That same appeal document I asked the DCC to write on earlier? I used it to rapidly fill it up and handle to the ASO, so they could rapidly understand what had happened on the DCCs side, and given how clean the evidence was, the ASO simply approved the appeal and liberated the prisoner.

The only reasonable way of answering to a guy saying that you were demoted from your position, while in fact you are literally working as it like nothing had happened at all, is to consider that they aren’t actually good on the head. I jokefully asked Irwin (the synthetic) the definition of “disrespectful” on the oxford dictionary, and in the end IT CLEARLY didn’t match the definition because it LITERALLY wasn’t disrespectful, because saying something that CLEARLY didn’t happen have, indeed, actually happened is, in fact, not something you would see on a STABLE person.

How are you supposed to prove that something that obviously didn’t happen, happened? You wanted me to agree that it had happened while in fact it LITERALLY DIDN’T?

Given that you appear to think that everything I say is offensive, I think calling the CMO/CMP to “check your mental state” would sound even more rude than literally trying to make you understand that the pseudo-demotion I had last round had actually nothing to do with the round we were currently having.

You wanted the CMP to take action against me given what? At this point in time we’re literally dealing with the DCC, you wanted the CMP to pull my ear because of the things that happened last round?

The “trading barbs” we’re literally you questioning everything I stated or asked, while trying to take the prisoner I already had in control from me and disconsidering everything I said, I didn’t trade any barbs, you were just, quite literally, EDGY, as you later admitted in quite an underestimated way ICly AND OOCly.

I was LITERALLY hoping you could prove me wrong, because UNTIL that very moment you showed that you clearly couldn’t apologize to anything at all, which in fact you didn’t, and decided to go shoot yourself in your own office, for reasons I’m still not quite sure why (If you want to complain about RP, firstly take your ridiculous and absurd suicide in for evaluation). When we’re at the office with the CMP, I CLEARLY said to you: “The last thing you should loose in this role is your temper”, you agreed and then IMMEDIATELY lost your temper for something completely ordinary, and decided to rage quit simply because I said “I didn’t THINK you could apologize” (I didn’t even said you couldn’t, because I knew you could, I just said that I, personally, didn’t think you would do it).

You have an extremely “”“objective”“” and horrible, in all seriousness, interpretation of the ML, something that you could LITERALLY see on the dark age of the MPs (2018/2019’s), you actually don’t know how to apply common sense to it and thinks everything needs to be followed to the letter.

Round memory LITERALLY works like that, friendships and knowledge of other players IS maintained throughout all rounds, but never what specifically has happened on them (Becoming a friend with another person is okay, saying that they were arrested by the Colonial Marshall Bureau for buying contraband is not). You see EVERYTHING I do as offensive and “poking or dickish”, and the “OOC problem/meta grudge” is literally you thinking that.

Really chap, I don’t really see where it’s written on the ML that I have a time to fulfill a “lawful arrest”, I don’t even know when your count dang begins, and where I didn’t take the suspect to brig? Or didn’t process them? Or fucking appealed them before they were celled? There was no need to actually inform them of their rights while that would literally delay their damn APPEAL.

Right… I’m not using my slot correctly because of a pseudo-demotion on an earlier round? You DO have a lot to learn, I never meant it to be offensive in any possible way, you were literally calling me on “violatons” that didn’t make actual sense most of the time, and you somehow believe tha you have the power to “call me out” from everything that you THINK is not following YOUR horrible interpretation of the damn ML.

You simply don’t have the experience to deal with cases that literally take players out of their rounds for one hour or MORE, you literally act as though you know exactly what to do, while in fact you simply don’t. Also, of course, you didn’t exactly write that the CMP was literally supervising me on my actions, and that you just wanted to overwrite anything I did because you had the feeling you had the “bigger role”.

Round 1 is no evidence for literally anything at all, because it doesn’t make sense for it to be, and you are, in all sincerety, taking that I don’t “care for the ML” from your dang hat.

You wrote me a DM yesterday, 2 hours later you wrote this player report, and I literally saw the DM you sent me on discord two hours ago, you didn’t actually give me any time to answer you.

I finish this response expressing my fear of what you will become when you get enough playtime to unlock the CMP role (seeing another Laurencia Beck would be actually funny as hell).

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Alright. I’ll go through and answer everything.

So. Round 1. I can absolutely reference round one, there are a bunch of reasons to explain in RP why you could have been repromoted. You could have appealed to provost, you could have earned your rank back, there were, and still are, plenty of ways that you could REASONABLE be back in the MP Role. I say it makes sense.

You directly told me they weren’t writing an appeal, and then decided to use it as an appeal? Okay, fine, fair enough. Writing the story out makes sense. You told them DIRECTLY to get in the cell however with their gear still on, and made NO MOVE to remove the knife, and that was when I stepped in.

It quite literally is disrespectful to say someone has mental issues if they don’t. Again. You could have called for the CMO or even Irwin to do a psych eval on me. I was right there., and Irwin responded with, "Well ,is it true? when I asked him “Is it disrespectful to say someone has mental issues”. How am I supposed to know its joking when you no way shape or form imply that?

Okay. Fine. You could explain in LOOC then, and talk to me about your thought process. I was going off how i have interacted with people. And what I said was that I didn’t want to be lectured about marine law by someone who had been demoted because of failure to follow it on another deployment.

What? You were literally violating procedures and marine law in round 2? I was quite detailed in why I believed that in my break down of everything. I was not just basing it off round one. In fact, I only used it as supporting evidence, and not proof, and I even said that explicitly I was not including rule breaks from that round.

It wasn’t JUST because of that. It was a build up of everything through the round, and how you have constantly acted towards me. Again, I will say it again, as I said in the initial report, I COULD BE WRONG about rule 3 and 4. I said it was my opinion. Editing this real quick : Yes, I lost my temper and owned it, but I also had a IC reason for it, which, I’ll admit wasn’t a great one. -shrug-. I made a mistake. I own it. I know what I did wrong now.

I mean… Why wouldn’t I have an objective view of it? It is the literal law, and while I don’t have to agree with it, it is my job to follow it. If you think I am doing a terrible job, make a player report yourself if you think I am so unsuited for the role.

Okay. So I went through and checked the rules on that. “Character development can occur over rounds but each round is a soft-reset, meaning you can have previous mission experience but your character will never have died or fled the ship in the past. Follow the Roleplay Standards.” Is the DIRECT QUOTE. So. Actually, I can have that memory! It is no where mentioned that specific details cannot be remember. So. Again. Completely reasonable for me to remember you were demoted, and again as I said earlier, you could have earned it back in plenty of ways, and since there is no set time passing between deployments, it could have been years. Aldrik could not have woken up from cryo a bunch of times, and things could be completely different.

Sigh. Look. I don’t know what you mean. There is a clear procedure and layout on it, and I know you think that I’m a horrible MP for that, so try and talk to me about it. Approach me in LOOC or on discord. But I will say, there is always a need to give them their rights, because then they can say in an appeal “Well the MP didn’t read me my rights like their supposed to” and you know what? That’s a blackmark against me. Of course I am going to try and do it the right way.

Okay, and? I do have the power to call you out. I have the ability to voice what I think is correct. Again. I have said that I could be completely wrong. Again, I say I think for a lot of this, and I explain my reasoning. If you are saying as a newer MP, I shouldn’t have the power to make a report, I don’t why that is reasonable either? I THOUGHT you were doing it wrong, and so I made the report.

And YES. I do have a lot to learn. Which is why I am trying to learn. I constantly a-help things, and ask questions of CMP’s/XO’s/CO’s. I fully admit to being a newer player.

I… actually do have the experience doing that. And in any case, your way of doing the process took almost a full hour. And? Yes, the CMP was there, supervising us BOTH. And I was protesting which is completely valid thing to do. Also, what do you mean I had the feeling? Its quite literally in the chain of command and in the ranking system. I am going to follow it. That’s how I want to roleplay. I will of course listen to people and feedback if given in a helpful way. And it doesn’t matter to me if its the ‘bigger’ role or not. I’m not here to power trip or anything.

Okay so. So I never said you didn’t care for marine law, I said you have a different opinion on MP rules/procedure, and marine law. I said, in my opinion how it was broken. And I said supporting evidence, and explained why I thought it played into the actions of round 2.

So. You were online when I sent you the DM, we had just finished a round and I tried to reach out to you knowing you were there. You weren’t on DnD or anything like that. I think two hours is a REASONABLE amount of time, especially when I know you are there
And in any case, the only reason you saw it two hours ago was because I TOLD you it was there during a round (So it had been nearly 24 hours and you hadn’t bothered to check your messages or see anything.) in LOOC when a XO AGREED with me that it seemed like you had a grudge against me. So. There’s that.

I could have the CMP role if I wanted to. Again. If you have so little faith in me, think I’m a terrible MP, and are bad for the server… Make a player report of your own.

Editing this in real quick: I say at multiple points in my report that I could be wrong, that this is how I think, and that I also accept any punishment/blame for how I was acting. If I was meta-grudging you in my own way, then fuckin give me a punishment for it. I will accept whatever comes my way.

That’s all I have to say.

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Hey there, people!

While I was investigating this report, I saw that both of the incidents mentioned above handled in-game by staff. Therefore, I am going to deny this report.

As a side note: If a character has died, fled the ship or demoted in the previous round, it would be healthier for roleplay if this was not mentioned in the next round!

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