Swagile - Whitelist Report: Irene, Self Preservation, Combat Restrictions, Spirit of the Whitelist

Swagile - Whitelist Report: Irene, Self Preservation, Combat Restrictions, Spirit of the Whitelist

What’s your BYOND key?

Swagile

Round ID:

27173

Your character name:

SA-753-G3

Accused BYOND key:

N/A

Accused character name:

Irene

What rule(s) were broken?:

Self Preservation, Combat Restrictions, Spirit of the Whitelist

Whitelist in question:

Synthetic

Description of the incident:

I was a Ravager during this round and Irene decided to hive dive with only 1 other marine (lack of self preservation) then attack me unprovoked. I did not attack them first; they wanted to wallop me to death since the marine was doing damage to me that I was slashing.

It is to my understanding that Synths should not be hive diving like this as this is against self preservation rules (since you are very likely to die, and they almost died if not for greeno weeds protection), and should not be attacking unless in self defense. I do not believe this falls under vulnerable USCM clause (as a reason to attack me) since they put themselves in EXTREME danger by hive diving alone like this.

Evidence:

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Greetings,
I was the foxtrot SL portrayed in the clip, Miguel Schaeffer, and I believe there’s some inconsistencies on your report.

This is false. If you show the full clip you’re going to reveal that there actually were 4 people, which at that time in the round was at least 40% of the full front, since the front composed no more than 10 marines and then a number of greenos. We did not know we were pushing hive, we were just securing kills as we made our way through the cave system, since CIC was very inept and the CO decided to die 50m into the round we really didn’t have an accurate idea of how close we were to the hive – we were just skirmishing and securing an actually good number of kills.

You just showed the outcome of our flank, which was me and synth making a run out of the system as the other two dudes managed to FF themselves to death or something. By the way, through the entire path we were with multiple people, since this area of cave system was not defended by xenos at all (which were badly beaten up) and many marines were making their way through it.

Uhhh, hive diving is a stretch. Front was getting super close to hive, we had a greeno hive that was fully drugged on stims and were basically winning without a single loss. I think we had a pretty good shot at winning that battle if my teammates were a little better at combat. Rather than a hive dive, you could call it a flank. Matter of fact, before I permaed the queen had already been killed and you were dead, which is to show that we were not really far away from front either.

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Hi there! I play Irene, and I’m gonna try and give my thoughts about this. First, I’m gonna go over my perspective of things. It’s late into a three hour round on Solaris Ridge, where both the marine and xeno forces are heavily depleted. I went into the Eastern caves since from what I remember, the Captain had announced for people to rally on the sensor tower with the corrupted queen, however I don’t remember if that announcement was made before or after I entered caves. I soon found myself with a few marines, I don’t know the exact number, but I distinctly remember the Foxtrot Leader, Foxtrot Spotter, and Intel Officer, who I stuck with because I thought they could use somebody with medical skill and supplies. I don’t remember what the plan exactly was, and I don’t know if it was ever said out loud, but I believe they were attempting some sort of flank, since we were hanging around places with minimal xeno presence. Again, xenos were on the backfoot after losing many of theirs to the corrupted xenomorphs that were helping us, so I thought it wouldn’t be a terrible idea to tag along.
We make our way South, closer to the hive, at which point the location to me was unknown and I didn’t know if anybody else in the group knew that either. The marines I’m with engage a few xenos and fight for a little bit, where I try and stand further away to not get injured (doesn’t stop a defender from running up and smacking me). I then see through binoculars that we’re literally right next to the hive’s doors, and I see way more xenos than I thought there were. At this point I’d like to call out to the marines I’m with that we should retreat, however, when trying to get close to speak to the marines, they either go out of earshot, or there’s an imminent xenomorph threat that it’s better for me to just run away, which I do. I attempt to move North while trying to scare away a hivelord that attempted to attack me, but the moment they move away I run back to the only marine remaining, the Foxtrot SL. He’s really injured and moving slow, at which point I attack SAG3 when they approach. The stabs I take at you are an attempt to get you to back off so I can drag the Foxtrot SL to safety, until I understand that I’ve taken too much damage, and you’re not gonna let up, so I just run away instead.

Now, I wanna go over what’s said in the report,

First of all, it was not one other marine, as I said in my perspective, and I was moving with them in an effort to provide any assistance to them I could, not to explicitly hive dive. I didn’t know we were going towards the hive, maybe I could’ve guessed? But given how much xenos lost during the fight at comms, and how empty caves was, I didn’t expect a huge amount of resistance. Also, since xenos were pushed back really hard, I was expecting the frontline to be at the hive anyways. I was more confident because of the numerous corrupted weeds around the caves which would give me an edge in escaping, which you admit it did.

I’m just gonna paste this line from the synthetic programming, since it basically addresses this in its entirety.

While a synthetic is alone or in a small group (2-3) while moving between locations, returning wounded or patrolling the colony, they are allowed to defend themselves and the lives of other humans, provided that assistance from others nearby is ineffective or unable to arrive in time.

I’m not sure what you want me to do when you’re slashing to death a single marine, running away sure, but I was still near full health, and thought the least I could do was an attempt at making you back off, knowing that if things got even remotely dicey it wouldn’t be super hard to run. I don’t think that a single marine who’s in critical condition is effective, and so you don’t need to slash me first to make me fight. I was attacking you to get you off the marine you’re slashing. The goal isn’t to kill you, the goal is to make you go away.

Again, did not know it was the hive until most of the marines already were dead, in which I shortly after make a break for it, while trying to help the Foxtrot Leader who was the only one still alive. Also, again, the greeno weeds were great at helping me escape, which is why I was less concerned I might be stuck in there.

Once again, as mentioned in the synthetic programming guidelines, attacking does not just have to be in self-defense.

There was a member of the USCM who was in danger, which is why I retaliated against you. Please correct me if I’m interpeting you wrong, but you seem to be trying to connect the supposed hive diving with me attacking you, when, in my eyes, they’re events that aren’t really correlated. It’s not like me attacking you was part of hive diving, nor do I think there was such a danger that it would’ve been impossible for me to get out if I engaged. The only ones who followed the Foxtrot SL was you and a drone, with said drone seemingly not commited to attacking, mostly just weeding and taking one or two slashes. Maybe if more of the hive’s combat castes that were just South came after us, I’d have cut my losses and abandoned the marine.

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There is a full clip but past that, the only thing it shows is a single corpsmen SW 15-20 tiles away with some greeno weeds and that is literally it. I do not know where you came up with this false number of 10 marines because there was nowhere near that amount of marines near you.

I can post it to the council since my full clip has me dealing with an ahelp as well, but suffice it to say you are making things up here.

All of what you said was mostly at ETA / Engineering at the time. That is pretty far from SE Caves Hive. Outside of maybe a drone or two greeno hive wise, there was only a single pocket of 3-4 marines I later killed SW Hive. Hive never got assaulted till later when Queen deovi’d and we almost killed Greeno Queen stimmed in ETA but failed since they were speeding across our screen faster than we can click them, then finally got surrounded and I died to 3 M39 heros.

So again, this is drastically over reporting things.

The ruling you gave here is the reason why I made this report in the first place. The spirit of this ruleset is if your going from FOB to front and back and get attacked, not using it to go deep caves while xenos are still active. You may have not known the hive location (I doubt this as sensors was active, but this is what you stated, and I have no other way to disprove your statement so benefit of the doubt comes into play), but going with only a single marine this deep into caves is, in my opinion (which is why I even made this report), breaking the spirit of the whitelist when it comes to this ruling.

You are given the ability to attack first in situations where you need to help fend xenos off in semi-safe areas like routes to front, not caves. But that is my opinion and its up to Council to decide whether or not that is true.

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Council has come to a decision and we agree that this is not the kind of behaviour that we are looking to encourage. There are no signs of malicious intention to break the rules here, but definitely an overstepping of the guidelines and lack of control in the moment.

As it is a first offence, the player will be warned to not do it again and reread the guidelines. Further violations will lead to harsher punishment.

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