I fucking love fighting survs I just feel like blue fire mollys are a bit iffy.
the real win rate for marines is actually closer to 70%
This is completely and unambiguously false. Not counting minors for either side, the recent WR for xenos sits at about 50%.
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Didn’t you hear? Anecdotal evidence and personal experiences trumps actual database statistics every time.
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The thing about xenos that no one seems to acknowledge is their speed. Not just in movement, but the fact that they don’t have a supply chain required to do what they need to do. If marines are pushing a choke, they cannot place a bunch of wired cades before a ravager pops around a corner, slashes the engineer a bunch and then runs off or a boiler begins firing on them. Xeno gameplay is far more reactive and allows them to respond to situations faster than marines with minimal communication because unlike marines, everyone knows what you can do because of your caste(aside from some differences with specific castes). All you need to build resin is plasma, and if the builder castes are doing their job, you should rarely be off of weeds. And because all your abilities are limited only by plasma use and cooldowns, you’re always ready to go if you’re high on HP.
Xenos win a lot of the longer rounds because almayer staff begin to cyro and marines start to go into fights low on supplies and with multiple fractures because they can’t be screwed to wait 5 minutes for the alamo on auto to land, another 5 to get up to the almayer, another 10 to 15 to get surgery, and finally another 5-10 to get back down to the planet.
Me when I spread misinformation I pulled out of my ass to combat actual data collected by the server
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I play at high pop til late low pop, yea my current sleep schedule is fucked up.
I started keeping record after some 2 week period where the marines were winning what I swear was 80% of the time. I have done similar in the past when admins didnt realize how lopsided the winrates were, although I forget the changes they made to eventually balance it and have me stop caring about winrates.
I only count who is left on the current battlefield, so xeno minors are marine wins, and a decision of marine/xeno/draw is made if time runs out. SD is draw. I have noticed marines or xenos can have huge winstreaks based on who is on, so my records don’t mean as much just yet.
Game winrates I witnessed from 03/21/2025: Aliens: 39, Marines: 43, Nukes: 3, Kings: 10 Draws: 3
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There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
There are many nuances to consider when approaching this question. For example, as mentioned, a Xeno Minor Victory is a victory in name only.
Let’s review Zonespace’s statement that xeno WR without Xeno Minor Victories is still about 50%. As we know for sure, xenos tend to do better on lowpop. Winning <100 pop rounds in a quick succession contributes a lot to xeno WR. But on the other hand, highpop usually favors marines. What we can make of this? If marines tend to win rounds with more players, then more players will be able to experience those victories first hand. Thus, more players will perceive marine victories as a more common occurrence. So there is that at the very least.
Another question is that lowpop is just poorly balanced. Marines rely on specific roles (such as HM and CT) to perform effectively. Should we really count lowpop when measuring WR? There is an argument that can be made that lowpop rounds are not “true” rounds.
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Lowpop rounds arent real anymore 
It’s over lowpop bros
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I had a whole response ready to go but then I remembered there’s a XENO HERE GET OUT OF HERE ALIEN YOULL NEVER DEFEAT THE USCM *warcry
/me does a 360 PB buckshot for my frag montage
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Let me tell you a story. A tale based on true events. Tons of marines tell this tale from their perspective, but you probably haven’t heard my side. So sit down and listen well, because you’re about to hear it.
It was a warm day, or at least I thought it was day; I was on a spaceship after all. Me and my marine friends were awoken by a distress signal from “Chance’s Claim.” Nothing seemed out of the ordinary, just a normal day in the corps.
As I left the cryopod, I said a simple hello to my marine friends and then grabbed some grub from the food vending machine. Usually I take the pork, but today I felt like eating chicken. After finishing my meal, I went to gear up. Same old loadout: medium armor, motion detector, and an MK2 with some AP rounds. I usually took them to take out the CLF specialists. Oh, how clueless I was. I’m still mad at myself for not taking more.
After putting on my armor and taking my trusty gun, I went to briefing, still waiting for the captain to announce something from CIC. I knew something was off from the start. The captain was quiet; he did not say anything until people complained on the communications channels.
Finally, after 10 minutes of waiting in the briefing hall, the captain announced that the briefing was in the hangar. Bummer, now I have had to walk there. As I walked to the hangar, I saw my group of marine friends. They were the closest thing I had to family.
“Hey, Eden!” they all say in unison. I responded with a small joke, something along the lines of “What’s the weather today?” They of course laugh, and we all walk together to the hangar to listen to this fresh, new captain spew his nonsense.
“Marines!” He exclaimed. “We need to hurry! Forecon needs our help!”
Forecon? I thought to myself. How are they here? They usually don’t respond to distress signals. And when they do, they usually win and take back what the CLF took from us. If they need our help, something must have gone horribly wrong.
After finishing explaining the plan, the captain ordered all of us to go into the Alamo. I, of course, complied and sat down in one of the seats on the Alamo. After about 2 minutes, the Alamo launched. I buckled in and held onto my seat, wondering what happened on this planet. Little did I know this would be my last drop.
After about 5 minutes, we finally land. I turn on my motion detector and prime my weapon.
According to my SO, forecon was north, downed.
As I walk up to the shutters, I get a ping on my motion detector. I freeze in place, hiding the detector in my backpack, grabbing my gun in both of my arms. My heart racing and my breathing becoming rugged, I slowly open the lock with my crowbar. The sight on the other side was horrible. There were 5 Forecon members, all but one dead. They must have been the only survivors of this horrible incident. On the ground was Major Joe Dafoe, coughing up blood, telling me to come closer. I come up to him and kneel next to his dying body.
“Private… do not fight the red devil. We did all we could. You cannot win this fight.” He then passes out, drawing his final breath. I quickly gaze at my motion detector, looking for where this “Red Devil” might be. But the ping was gone.
I quickly call out on communications for the medic to come to my location to attempt to save Major Dafoe, but I knew it was too late.
After we finally regroup at the landing zone engineering area, we do what we were ordered to do: “Push A-Block.”
Following the SL, we finally arrived. It was a huge building that used to house countless colonists. Now used as a hunting den for the “Red Devil.”
Suddenly, I hear a call out on comms. “C-contact! W-w-west A-Block! He’s on the roof!”
I recognized that voice; it was Steve Murphy, our squad medic. I had no idea this was the last time I was going to hear his voice.
His transmission turns into static as we hear tearing of skin and bone west of us. We quickly ran up to the area that Murphy called out, but when we arrived, it was too late. It was horrible; his head was barely attached to his body, and his arms were twisted so far that I could see his wrist bones. Josie Clark, my squad SG, threw up at the sight. I almost did too, but I managed to stop myself. Murphy was one of my closest friends, and it was horrible to see him like this.
Then suddenly I hear a ping. We all gather ourselves, aiming our guns at the area that the ping came from. But it was already too late. The “Red Devil” has made his appearance. It dropped down right in front of us. It looked like a xenomorph lurker, but it had red stripes on its head with the words OWL written on its carapace. Before I can even pull the trigger, he skewers my CT’s head with its tail, removing his brain from his body. I did not even realize that Omsk was with us until this happened to him.
He had a family of 4. I was the one to tell them what happened.
After removing his brain, it pulled his corpse to itself, starting to gnaw on his head. I immediately fired my gun at it, thinking it would do something, but it did nothing. It stared at me as it healed from consuming my best friend’s corpse.
Our SL suddenly calls out, “ALPHA, DELTA, AND BRAVO ARE ALL WIPED! THIS THING KILLED THEM ALL! FALL BACK TO FOB!”
I quickly put my gun on my back, starting to run back to the LZ. As I look back, I see Josie getting grabbed by this creature. She helplessly stabs it with her machete, but the creature just keeps biting and slashing her, clearly healing from its attacks. Josie finally falls, and the creature bites her head off in one bite. I turn back crying; I lost 3 of my friends in the span of 5 minutes. I did not know it could get worse.
I and the SL finally reached the LZ, but there was one issue. The Alamo was shipside. I quickly use my rotary phone to call up CIC, who has been unresponsive the entire OP, but after a minute of waiting, I get put into voicemail. I look at my SL with fear in my eyes, knowing our end will come soon and say, “Well, if only we had a Marine Major with us, then maybe we would have won.”
He chuckles and says that he agrees. I only then realized that my SL was none other than Calum McDonald himself.
We both trembled in fear as we watched both of the LZ entrances, patrolling the corpse-ridden FOB.
Finally, we heard growling coming from the south. It was done with the rest of the squads, so it came to finish the last of us. It arrived out of the shadows, holding the head of a freshly recruited private, throwing it in front of us.
But then, as if an angel was descending down from the heavens, the Alamo finally arrived. We quickly store our guns and book it for the dropship. The creature runs after us. Soon catching up to Calum.
I quickly jump onto the dropship, not seeing that Calum is not with me.
“LOCK AND LAUNCH!” I scream to Oswald Aalto, the DP who has been ordered to stay shipside but went against the captain’s orders to rescue us. As the doors slowly close, it dawns on me. Calum was not with us. I quickly take a look outside the window, seeing Calum getting torn apart by the creature.
Aalto launches the dropship, leaving Calum to die. I still don’t know why I did not check, why I didn’t look back, or why I didn’t jump out to grab him. But that’s all in the past now. I can’t change what happened that day on “Chances Claim.”
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the blatant xeno main cope bias in CM, let’s talk about it
/s I just had to do it to em
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funny how xenos are overtuned but they keep crying about marine bias
You had chances to save him, but xenos claimed him.
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This may be the single greatest post in forum history. Default profile picture, distinguished conduct medal, complaints about winrate being hardcoded in marine favor, this is a work of fucking art and we should be thankful to bask in it.
That being said I agree wholeheartedly. True believers understand that marine winrate is inversely proportional with our amount of buffs, and as I’ve always said, more nerfs are necessary to hone our warrior potential. To that end, I propose an immediate dethroning of Drathek and implanting of this brave warrior to the highest levels of administrative control.
I dream of a day where a marine has no need of air support, high explosives, armor allied or otherwise. Each man will be given a pistol and a machete, and he will bring glory with it, and on that day the flag of America shall wave over the whole of the galaxy.
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Preach on brother.
I don’t. Survivors are in a bad state right now.
It’s either drone rush them and if you don’t drone rush them, the only thing you can do is wait for tier 3s to evolve against their cade hold and hope marines don’t land fast enough to rescue them.
I think survivors should be able to hold, sure. But they get access to way too many cades and it becomes incredibly unfun being forced to wait for tier 3 to do anything. Oh and survivors should have NO blue molotovs, that hot garbage is blatantly too OP for people who barely survived an assault to have. Also survivors shouldn’t get access to god turrets like they do in Trijent.
For being “survivors”, they get way too much access to good stuff that forces xenos to wait for tier 3s to be able to even make a dent. Survivors shouldn’t have many things to be able to hold for a long period of time, but should be nimble and tough. They should be able to rotate and bunker down in places with quick succession.
Thankfully survivors are getting reworked, I’m trusting it’ll be better.
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Load of yap, only thing survs need is a limit cap on how many of the same xeno caste there can be . Can you imagine 14 drones against 6 survs who just spawned in barely travelled half the map and are already being capped. Not to mention those drones can become any T2 before 00:20.
The round in question
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Winrate is always going to vary depending on recent PRs, who is playing what side, mistakes made, etc.
In the past 7 rounds (27454-27460) it’s been a 100% marine win rate, but we’ll see what the future brings. If you really wanna convince people that buffs/nerfs are needed, then there basically needs to be a pattern over a long number of rounds. I personally think they should bite the bullet and actually make the stats public, but that’s just me.
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I agree drone rush is annoying and unfun. I play xeno and I hate drone rushing, because survivors can just buckshot you to death, meaning no tier 3 for a long while.
But on the survivor’s side, it is more unfair for them. Two tap tackle 30 seconds upon loading in is not fun for anyone.
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ah yes, famously when have survivors of xenomorph infestations ever been able to survive alone for long periods of time? clearly newt was overtuned and needed to be nerfed lmfao
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