It’s more like 1/4 because of the rav armor. It took 4 hits from PB. It’s also not like you can just spam click to get a free kill, you have to be in melee range for 7 seconds at the very least, miss no shots, and not get downed by a entire hive. If a rav pushes solo with no support and manages to get out run by a marine with a shotgun that also hurts you as you hit the xeno slowing you down…. That’s just a skill issue
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2 marines with shotguns makes that 2 shots per marine, 3.5 seconds in PB range. 3 marines? Not accounting for SG’s or people behind with IFF weapons, or any weapons for that matter.
Point is buckshot is doing a ridiculous amount of damage to castes it shouldn’t be; hell I’d say it rivals flechette when it comes to damaging T3’s
Ironically that’s the only range most xenos can fight at, so if they try to attack you they end up solving that issue for you; very convenient for a marine, if a xeno gets close you can more or less have the upper hand in CQC
as mentioned earlier in this thread, that doesn’t mean much. Marines can be revived, xenos cannot.
And the guy with buckshot doesn’t need to chase you down, just land a shot or two, taking half your health and potentially slowing or stunning you in the process depending on your caste.
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If xenos could delimb and rav got its insanely high delimb % chance back this wouldnt be too much of an issue. Bodyblocking marine either gets crit or survives but suffers major injury.
Im highly against xenos being able to simply move past or quick trip marines cause thats like super lame.
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Finding 4 shot gunners who all loaded buckshot and decided to swarm a rav to insta kill them has never happened before. It was rare to find two people able to do this. I was buckshotting xenos last night and what it was is me PBing the xeno at most twice before they retreated back into xeno defences to heal. I never secured a killl for the marines via ‘deleting half their health’
Funny you mention how ‘xenos excel in melee’ then decry buckshot warriors. Bro he’s right there just slash him!
I learned a long time ago that if you see a shotgun out you have to know the chance of a PB can occure. You don’t have to stand there while you see a shotgunner. Rotate to different people. There should be more brain power then ‘use ability and marine fall down’ if you see someone holding out a shotgun maybe don’t pounce a marine beside them?
I think people really don’t understand the ‘marines just get revived over and over again’ the way I see it, let’s say you have 10 people pushing. they all die, but they get revived. How many marines are going to have broken bones, IB? Many will have it, and that is not the same as a fully healthy marine. There comes a point in the LV cave push where the marines have dug in but have died like 12 times over taking the cave system. The only thing holding the defence is a few fresh marines and the walking dead. This is why marines get rolled off positions. Essentially, revived marines grow less and less combat effective, and presents a paper tiger to the marine force.
There’s also the chance of ‘marines who push forward that get punished and are never revived’ that I see often and xenos forget happens despite doing it to marines who push.
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You could Disarm hit.
Finding marine shotgunners is very easy, having 4 perfectly in sync to bumrush a rav to instakill a xeno has never happened.
https://old-forum.cm-ss13.com/old/viewtopic.php%3Ff=64&t=12080.html
And everything I just said was right, you were a dead man on borrowed time, eating pills in order to keep you afloat. Those supplies ran out and you died. Most marines are robust like you and can kill 99999999 xenos before their supplies run out.
I have played since 2016 btw
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You literally just described how the game is supposed to work. People are going to die, people are going to gradually degrade over time the more injuries they sustain. That is attrition, it’s meant to be that way to favor xenos. On the flipside, xenos can’t be revived, and to get more sisters you have to cap a marine, take them to hive, hug and nest, wait 8 minutes for it to burst. 15 minutes for it to reach a T3, that’s if the queen is on ovi the whole time, which she usually isn’t when hive is being pushed hard.
The whole design of the game is that both sides get deteriorated.
It’s just a matter of the marine deterioration rate being equal to or less than the rate of xeno deaths. And these days, that is very achievable if marines push. They don’t need to live forever, just long enough to collectively outkill the hive as a whole. Most rounds these days, attrition and time are ironically against the xenos due to all the nerfs, despite the fact that it should be the other way around.
It happens, and hell you don’t need 4. Just 2 is usually enough to take 3/4 of a rav’s health if one of them fires twice. If they’re working with other people, at least a few other teammates who shoot their guns, it’s not hard to take one down. Especially because most of the time they’ll be the vanguard of a large marine deathball at a choke or something, backed up by SG’s or other IFF weapons. That’s usually where T3’s have to fight.
I never said xenos excel in melee; I said most castes can only fight at melee range. They have no other option, unlike marines who could choose to keep distance. But even when marines get into CQC with xenos, there are often situations where the marine will have the upper hand against most castes.
My brother in christ I tested the shotgun PB on a rav in the thunder dome and it did 1/4th a rav health. Getting the perfect combo of ‘marines all being able to shoot the rav a bit and then the two buckshot marines showing up out of nowhere to PB the rav twice’ has not happened.
You can make any amount of ‘uhhhh SG!’ But a rav player I hope would see ‘hmmm a SG is shooting me and there are 23 marines ready to shoot me, I should back off.’ Instead of ‘IMMA CHARGE IN AND GOD DAMN IT THE MARINE PB IS TOO MUCH MAN!’
All these copes, why not just embrace the suck?
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Yes, so if two marines with shotguns PB that’s 1/2 a rav’s health gone. If one of them manages to pump and fire again, that’s 3/4 of it’s health idk what’s hard to comprehend about that.
So the solution is to just not fight? Just “keep backing off” while marines steamroll into the hive? The SG’s aren’t going anywhere, neither is the deathball. You think I could just wait long enough for the shotgunners to magically fuck off in pairs by themselves away from the front? The only time that happens is after the hive has been cracked.
You’re a T3, your job is to defend the hive, you’re the most capable caste to counter a horde of marines. Sadly the most capable is increasingly straying away from actually being capable.
Too much suck in too little time. How about we nerf buckshot and marine bodyblocking and you can just “embrace the suck”
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Just going to say, xenos can just grab shuffle a marine and swap tiles with them to get out of danger, a marine can’t grab shuffle a xeno unless they want to get bodyslammed by their tails.
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Wow this post has gotten pretty large. its now one of the biggest along with the nickname thread in terms of replies.
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I have played since 2016 btw
Got it, so you’re just a liar then. Also welcome to the 2016 club, we’ve been expecting you.
I never disputed I wasn’t a walking zombie, the problem is you’re insinuating half the marine force being like this actually impedes their combat effectiveness. If anything in my experience, the less a person expects to survive an engagement the more aggressive they get.
Plenty of people go ‘My time is now. I will do what I must’ and just balls to the wall rush aliens straight into their lines or defenses to score that frag on a boiler.
This thread is going wild. Get the popcorn
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Muh “4 marines shotgunning me at once” cope is hilarious and borderline impossible if you’re not suiciding. Even during hellchung days the biggest issue was motion sickness https://streamable.com/akiam4
Not a fan of AP buff cause of what it does to praes though.
the only way you can get ur hp bar btfo so hard as rav is if someone’s dual wielding shotties and hits RNG on both of them. It’s retarded when it happens and shouldn’t be a thing.
There’s also the funny burst shotgun with heavy buck on ice that can one tap t3s which is a questionable thing to keep aswell.
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Its gonna break the top in terms of replies… its insane.
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oh that might’ve been what I watched happen once or twice then lol. Yeah because it was actually hillarious, LGT literally got down to like 15% from 1 PB
You must not have seen my cope post yet :tro:
I probably havent lol.
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L-l-liar!!!
Yea I’m done replying to you
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marines charge into hive
queen gets off ovi
rout marines
That easy son.
Somehow, every round that marines do murder all, xenos just manage to like… stop it… and we didn’t even have to change PB’s. What’s the difference between the rounds where xeno blunt the marine assault and xenos don’t? It’s not perfectly in sync marines managing to PB a rav to death.
I’m not really sure where you keep getting these fake scenarios from. Not once in any video, screenshot, or dchat message have I ever seen marines shoot a rav to half heath then two marines in perfect sync manages to PB the rav twice killing it instantly. It doesn’t exist, nope.
Is this the mind of prime xenos? Endless coming with with fake marine scenarios, where marines are in perfect lockstep able to pull off nearly impossible feats of robusting power? God, do you think marines don’t FF each other? That OB’s don’t blow up half the marine front? Where is this perfect interlocking parts of marines when I play? The front line of marines of perfect fire angles with shotguns positioned perfectly to punish every xeno push?
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That’s cause it’s usually the other way around, PB’s followed by other marines gunning it down.
At least that’s how it usually plays out in my schitz deliriums :tro:
Don’t blame me for marine incompetence, I am a xeno main after all ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°). None of that is really relevant tho, nor does it justify unbalanced mechanics. But not sure if that matters anymore; I think we’ve gotten to the point of the discussion where this isn’t really a discussion anymore, it’s kinda just devolved to drivel. So uh, I guess this is the part where I say uhh…what’s the word
cope
or seethe
or mald
or I post this little funny
idk take your pick
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