By the way you can get all these weapons in the setup character menu. However you don’t have enough points to get al of them at the same time.
Also correct me if I’m wrong but it seems UPP weapons are better in almost every way to USCM one’s. Seems despit being a technologicaly underdevloped nation the UPP makes some of the best guns in the game.
pb buck definitely does more than 100 damage lol
“Seems despit being a technologicaly underdevloped nation the UPP makes some of the best guns in the game.”
GLORIOUS UPP WEAPONS MANUFACTURING SECTOR KNOWS NO BOUNDS, THEY SHALL NOT BE BOUND BY A LACK OF MATERIALS, NOR BY THE LACK OF TECHNOLOGICAL KNOWLEDGE.
They made AK, but SPACE. And that makes them the best, since nothing beats good ol’ AK.
The compuss for how the war between UPP and UA might end. Also if any of you want any of the images used just send me a message. Majorty I made in MS paint or photo shop just so you know how much effort went into this.
Quite simple explanation actually. UPP vs UA is Quantity vs Quality.
USCM guns are expected to have mandatory HEAP loaded into them for every operation they go, AP is expected to be the lowest low for actual combat, thus normal 10x24mm rounds just tickle any heavily armored opponent, they are aimed to gun down civilians or training.
UPP still has conscript armies if I recall, thus they cannot pursue the same level of quality to match the full firepower of USCM, so they instead develop their guns in such a way that if they have ANYTHING at all to shoot with - they will still preform good enough.
In context of Almayer vs Smoldering Sons - UPP outclasses the USCM, yes, but we are literally stuck in the worst possible battalion of a backwater sector in the middle of nowhere.
Any other more developed sectors? Considering we are yet to see an upgraded version of Type 73 rifle, and that, I think, M46C is standart issue for the first fleet - UPP would probably be outclassed easily. Unless they manage to outnumber the USCM forces, which is likely to happen considering the possible population of the almost entirety of Eurasia vs Americas.
nuh uh m46c is back issue only… mk2 is standard
You say it like the UPP dosn’t use heap as a standard either. Because as seen with the UPP nightmare insert, theres a shitload of heap mags around, same as CC. And I have yet to see any mention of “UPP dosn’t use HEAP as a standard” anywhere in the lore of CM13.
And to prop up the UPP a bit. They are litterary a USSR that didn’t fail over time, and became an actual competitor to the UA.
With all this in mind who do you think will win the cold war. Using my last compuss my money is on eternal status quo or the end of history one.
Given the UPP controls like… almost the entire planet’s population and almost all of Europe, I’d say they have a pretty big advantage in that regard at least.
If the US didn’t have it’s European NATO allies, and didn’t have significant ties with the Pacific (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Australia and the place where LOTR was filmed I’d have a really hard time imagining the US winning on Earth.
Keep in mind that in this situation the US loses almost every Old World ally except maybe the TWE (UK + some British dominions + JPN), whereas the ‘USSR’ consolidates the powerhouse of the EU and the immense potential of China. We don’t know how well Spanish & Portuguese-speaking America develops relative to English-speaking America here though, so who knows.
That being said, juggling what-ifs is just a nightmare, it’s probably best to just stick to what the lore says. I mean, we’re talking about a scenario where the EU falls apart, and India decides to… stay with the UK?
In-lore it’s pretty clear that both sides are relatively well balanced, at least militarily.
UPP is less technologically advanced and is at a space power disadvantage (UA + TWE have dibs on every planet worth settling, UPP has to colonise the leftovers), forcing it to engage in covert ops & espionage, as they’d lose in a conventionally fought war. They’ve learned to play to their strengths, allowing them to be a serious contender against the UA + TWE. This mostly fits with the Aliens theme of ‘what if we had the cold war, but in space? also lets bring back the british empire for some reason’.
I didnt say they dont have HEAP as standart, I said that they look over even the worst possible scenario and make their normal ammo have armor piercing. Rostock for example has no HEAP either, Steelpoint didnt bother making a lore reason why, but that means UPP still have an advantage if both are stuck in the mud fighting with the worst possible ammunition.
I feel using the HVH ship is a bad example, as it is fairly new, still being worked on, and doesn’t have any actual lore tied to it. Especially since a lot of lore for the UPP get thrown out the window for the sake of balance in said game mode (how they made everything literary 1 to 1).
3WE also takes some EU member states as well, in fact that’s why the EU falls apart in the first place, a bunch of them join the UK and japan in making the 3WE.
i mean the UA has all of the Americas, yes less population but its not as bad as it first seems.
I don’t see India sticking with the UK as a necessarily so far-fetched prospect. While the Imperial Federation was a weak proposal at best in our timeline, I imagine long wars and resource deficiencies (wherein britain DOESNT just leave the Indians to starve) could’ve helped it quite a bit. Especially when humanity stops being just on Earth.
Does the UK still have the Falkland Islands in this Timeline?
Most likely, though then again the UA has cuba in it.
Did the USA conquer Cuba?
I don’t know, i don’t write the world lore only organisations and such that i think would be cool.
I’m shocked this thread has not died yet. These things rarely last long.
As for cuba I like to imagine it’s like a more chill version of north korea where they entred siege mode and have stayed like that. Ironicaly since UPP own’s all of korea I think north korea has likely become softer in it rulership. I imagine the oceans between florida and cuba becomeing a floating DMZ. Since cuba is so close to the UA it would be extremly usefull to the UPP.
