TheNewOrleans - Staff Report: Enforcement Action Taken - Goshflipheck

[Orleans]

TheNewOrleans - Staff Report: Enforcement Action Taken - Goshflipheck

What’s your BYOND key:

TheNewOrleans

Round ID:

33436

Your character name:

Grant ‘Bonesaw’ Rorke

Their BYOND key:

Goshflipheck

What are you reporting?:

Enforcement Action Taken

Description of the incident:

Goshflip issued a permaban on me over a completely IC interaction where my character, a corpsman, was constantly being harassed by the SL who kept basically telling my character off any time he shot his gun at the Xenomorphs, telling my character that he was only meant to be healing and so on. This was after I had already revived a bunch of marines, and healed dozen others, but he just didn’t want me shooting at all. At one point the SL started shoving me, trying to cuff me and so on, and my character pushed back and told him to kill himself.

I adminhelped the issue, not having griefed the SL at any point or done anything like that. Goshflipheck focused on the fact that my character had told an SL that was trying to cuff him, have him arrested for insubordination and more to “kill himself”, rather on the fact that the SL was actively attacking my character.

I tried to explain to Goshflipheck repeatedly that there is nothing more natural than some rough words during conflict between marines, AS LONG as that doesn’t translate into actual hostile actions (like we usually see, knifing, failing to heal, general griefing). He went all the way to investigate previous rounds to check out of context logs that were not reported in order to justify banning me.

I am aware my chances are slim for this to be overturned, simply because I have a QC ban on my record from around a month and a half ago. But perhaps if the admin reading this could consider the circumstances I just received a ban for in an isolated manner from a QC ban taht I received half a year ago? You would see there’s nothing wrong here. You can see in the screenshots of the Player Ticket that Goshflipheck ACKNOWLEDGES that I rescued and healed the very same SL that I was having IC beef with:

21:16:49: Reply PM from-TheNewOrleans/(Grant ‘Bonesaw’ Roarke): Matter of fact I just rescued and healed the same SL. In game conflict and my character being rough on someone is completely separate from his realistic representation of a Corpsman that does his job
21:17:31: PM From Goshflipheck/(Hunter ‘Stafford’ Stanford): Yeah I’m aware. Heard. The delay is me making sure I’m going through everything right.

Yet somehow, Goshflipheck went ahead to assume the worst of everything, claiming it was me lashing out OOCly rather than IC interaction. On the basis of what? How can he state such thing, when I am actively healing the people my character is scolding? Colonial Marines is a ROLEPLAY SERVER, we roleplay marines fighting aliens, and a Corpsman trying to keep people alive is the most stressful situation possible.

My question remains: How is it possible that Goshflipheck claims I am “OOCly lashing out”, while at the same time I am OOCly making the decision for my character to risk his life (and therefore my gameplay for the round) to rescue and heal the same people I am allegedly lashing out at?

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Now, to wrap this up, just to offer a tiny hint of context, since I know my QC ban from November will play heavily against me. Does anyone ever stop to check the positive stuff? Throughout this month and a half alone, I’ve received 5 medals/jellys, and most importantly, issued 27 medals/jellys as XO/Queen. Since when does someone who is actively trying to make the game bad for others spend time writing plenty of nice stuff to them? Here just some of them:

Please read some of them. “Amazing job sister”, “Execllent murderous runner sister”, “Very useful”, “What a good job, sister” and so many many many other nice words all throughout. Is that the kind of thing you see from the people who are toxic?

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As I said, I’m aware there is a slim chance this will succed, and I’ll probably just stay permabanned, but this is not fair. I’m being punished for roleplaying verbal conflict in a roleplay server, without any single bit of griefing (the opposite matter of fact, I was healing them), and a lot to show to prove (with my own actions throughout the round) there was no OOC malicious intent. And a lot to show too in terms of improvement in regards to my attitude, as proven by the jellys (because I sadly don’t have logs of every single round with all positive interactions that I’ve had). It’s a pity, not gonna lie.

Evidence:

Player Ticket

Ban Reason:
You have been permanently banned by goshflipheck.
Reason: Banned for Rule 3: Community Expectations | Player repeatedly finds themselves in situations where they are degrading other players through dialogue and generally being toxic despite a punishment history and past QC ban appeal. This situation in question they told a squad leader to kill themselves ‘ICLy’, lashed out at other marines, and just a day before was toxic to different players as a xeno. I’ve tried explaining to them that just because you aren’t mechanically griefing someone and have, say, a vague IC reason to tell someone to kill themselves, or, playing a support role, does that mean your in the right and are still actively being toxic. Placing this in escalation of their past ban for the same reason. Make a staff report if you believe ive acted wrongly here, I dont think I exactly got through to you..
This is a permanent ban. It will not be removed.

Medals & jellys issued:

[antlersss (Antlers)]

Squad Leader Roosevelt, the relevant SL here.

You were suicidally pushing the front on several occasions, with marines injured and dying awaiting treatment. I shoved you initially to pull you back from the frontline because you were very danger close to the OB.

I only attempted to cuff you after you assaulted me and told me to “kill [my]self.” Such behavior would be totally unbecoming of a private in a field to a staff sergeant and I was ziptying you primarily for insubordination. Regardless, I was noted for roleplay standards because the moderator believed I was not sufficiently far away from the frontline to do so.

I only ahelped later about the “kill yourself,” since I don’t think that’s something you should be saying to anyone, even in a roleplay setting. Nonetheless, I agree that everything else you did was within IC and your right to do as a player.

I also appreciate you saving me later that round. I thought it was a nice “you’re not too bad after all” moment.

[Orleans]

@antlersss

You were suicidally pushing the front on several occasions, with marines injured and dying awaiting treatment. I shoved you initially to pull you back from the frontline because you were very danger close to the OB.

There was a guy that was gonna get gibbed! It’s relatively normal for Corspmen to push and take risks sometimes to snatch people back!

@antlersss

I only attempted to cuff you after you assaulted me and told me to “kill [my]self.” Such behavior would be totally unbecoming of a private in a field to a staff sergeant and I was ziptying you primarily for insubordination. Regardless, I was noted for roleplay standards because the moderator believed I was not sufficiently far away from the frontline to do so.

I only ahelped later about the “kill yourself,” since I don’t think that’s something you should be saying to anyone, even in a roleplay setting. Nonetheless, I agree that everything else you did was within IC and your right to do as a player.

Yeah, I believe the frontline bit was the most stressing bit in general, we had xenos 10 tiles away, hence the stress and harsh verbal response from my character!

@antlersss

I also appreciate you saving me later that round. I thought it was a nice “you’re not too bad after all” moment.

I was also very happy about that moment, and the snarky moment of “Not too bad for a medic who doesn’t do his job.” It was a very cinematic moment NGL.

Either way, regardless of the outcome of this Staff Report, I enjoyed the way the interaction ended a lot, perhaps not so much the shoving bit but it happens.

And, just in case, don’t feel “guilty” at all if I stay permabanned if this gets rejected, it’s more about me having a somewhat lengthy past in the community than about the round or your report. Pleasure playing together. I appreciate you posting here.

[goshflipheck]

Gonna go from top to bottom.

There is indeed nothing more natural than some rough words during conflict between marines.

Like I said in the ticket I really wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you had a bad day or had genuinely changed since your last ban appeal and this was totally just something you wanted to roleplay, so I scrolled through the logs a little more while eating my cheetos and literally just yesterday your blowing up on people. Didn’t have to look far. I don’t think I went ahead to assume the worst of everything, I didn’t really see what engaging IC roleplay can evolve from telling someone to kill themself and calling them a moron, we all get mad sometimes with videogames but that combined with your history was pushing it. Nice to know at least you two had your story arc moment though and somewhat proved me wrong. I made the ‘claim’ in the ticket of you probably OOCly lashing out, after I viewed seeing your punishment history and logs, felt like a pretty fair assessment to me.

From my POV at the time, you’re a player with a history of toxicity who was in a dispute with another player, got very frustrated (reasonable), told them to kill themself among other insults (less reasonable), and made an ahelp after the initial lash out and calming down somewhat, (seemed still pretty angry based on the way you phrased things in the initial ahelp). I dig through the logs, make my judgement on the dispute, and, in less professional terms, have to think about what im gonna do with john player with a history who told someone to kill themself in what seemed to me a salt induced fit. First step check if this is a onceoff thing recently, okay, sure wasn’t, that simplifies things, next step how i handle it, can’t really escalate from a permaban, so, back we go in my head.

I’m glad you calmed down and was able to go and heal the same player later (after my message) and didn’t outright blow their head off or something, that’s cool, you still told them to kill themselves, repeated toxicity is the crux of why you were banned now and in the past. Marines and players can be mad at eachother and say not so nice things but you really seem to have an issue with going overboard when it comes to dialogue. I’m glad you gave all those rewarding jellies with the kind words. If your really not meaning to come off scathing and toxic and just like aren’t really self-aware or something like that keep trying cause thats a good start at least.

TL;DR I punished you for breaking Rule 3 IMO because your verbal conflict was more than likely a outburst that followed a repeated history (literally even yesterday) of toxicity (malicious or intentional or not) despite your attempts to change.

[NessiePendragon]

Hey there, @Orleans.

I don’t think I have much to add on top of what @Goshflipheck has already said. I believe he explained the issue quite thoroughly and with a lot of patience.

We can accept a lot of things, but we absolutely cannot accept someone saying k*s to another player over IC reasons. And no, you can’t hide behind "the stress and harsh verbal response from my character!” thing as an excuse. For some reason, I’ve never seen the phrase “my character is x” used for anything genuinely good. I would love to see, just once, “my character is feeling good today so they’re extra nice to people!!”, but I doubt I ever will.

Anyway, I will be denying this report. Since this is your second permaban, it is naturally unappealable. Thank you for the time you’ve spent on CM13.