UPP and W-Y Oversaturation.

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You ever notice how little sense soro makes? UPP working with W-Y of all companies? you know why that is? it’s because of people’s obsession of forcing UPP into maps where it would make more sense for other factions, Soro for example was originally a DMZ between the UPP and W-Y, but due to people’s obsession with the UPP, they took on a bigger role with more UPP survivors being added to the map over time, eventually resulting in the weird UPP and W-Y working together thing, a thing that would logically never happen, UPP hates W-Y and W-Y would never hire a company from a country that regularly places spies to steal company information to reuse for the government, but Soro is not the only one that’s been affected by the over use of the UPP, take a look at trijent dam, a 3WE City map, despite being a 3WE map, it has no 3WE nightmares but instead a newer UPP nightmare insert that has newer UPP content (patches and other stuff), despite the fact a 3WE nightmare would make more sense as the 3WE are closer and it’s their planet.

and it’s not just maps having more UPP survivors, take a look at the ERT’s, before the UPP could only be hostile, but now they can fight alongside the marines, which i feel is less due to actual lore of them being in a cold war and more because people wanted to fight with the UPP.

Now look, i like the UPP, they’re fun to fight against, but i’m tired of them being the main faction encountered when there other factions then the UA and UPP, this is without mentioning the fact the UPP are the most common OPFOR for HVH events, could the CLF be improved for HVH? yes, but HVH still needed refinement even with the UPP, it’s just no one puts the effort in with other factions and instead focus on the UPP, which i think makes the universe feel smaller then it actually is.

W-Y also suffers from this, you never see any Bionational or Hyperdyne products/colonies, which makes It feel like W-Y owns almost everything, in the first movie the reason almost everything was W-Y was because it was a W-Y ship, and while W-Y is a major ally of the USCM, W-Y shouldn’t be the only major company, Bionational for instance produces many agricultural and pharmaceutical products, Hyperdyne produces weapons and owns a lot of colonies.

TL:DR: We need to start adding more content to the other factions and improving them rather then just forcing the UPP and W-Y into everything.

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I agree wholeheartedly to this, there is literally no RMC or TWE characters on anything BUT hybrisa.

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TWE needs more love, god fucking dammit. We don’t see them enough. We’re so obsessed with space communists and space capitalists that we end up forgetting the third superpower…

Right now, we see them once in a blue moon in ERTs. I think FORECON and Chances Claim was very well done- I really wish there was some similar form of TWE garrison survivors on say, Hybrisa or something.

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The third “superpower” is in the process of being absorbed into a satellite state of the United Americas.

On topic. In regards to HvH. The issue comes down to that thematically there is no other major faction for the USCM to fight on a equal footing.

The CLF are an asymmetrical faction, they simply do no work in a stand-up fight and I feel they’d need huge changes to make viable for a HvH event, that or you’d need to add in some kind of CLF specfor unit that is closer in gear and equipment to the USCM for them to fight.

TWE are the allies of the USCM, so it would feel very immersion breaking for the TWE to suddenly start a fight with the USCM.

PMCs are actually a good candidate for HvH, it would need some minor changes such as nerfing of their stronger gear, but if someone had some free time and a bit of skill, there’d be good room to make PMCs a viable OpFor faction for HvH.

The UPP make sense as they are a ideological foe to the USCM and are roughly on equal footing with them. Furthermore, people really like playing as the UPP since its so rare a concept.

Sadly, this is all going to come down to a “when you code it” moment. I’m quite pre-occupied doing UPP stuff so I am not inclined to do alt-faction HvH work. I’d love to see PMCs or CLF be integrated as an OpFor though.

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in twenty years.

the 3WE is basically a W-Y puppet more then a UA one, PMCs make up a large part of both the IASF and RMC and W-Y is a large part of their parliament, the entire “United Systems” thing from alien resurrection doesn’t happen until 2200, which is 20 years on from when CM is set, and china joins the United Systems as well so i guess china’s also a satellite state of the UA (despite being in the UPP).

My main point wasn’t 3WE for HVH anyway, the main point was the UPP and W-Y are used to a really large degree to the point it makes them feel like the only other factions then the USCM, 3WE has one half finished ert compared to the entire UPP command structure (with more and more stuff being added), CLF hasn’t received any major updates in quite a while as far as i know, and W-Y seems to be the only brand in the entire universe for most things,

Also to be clear i would code for it IF someone sprited and (possibly) mapped for it

Oh yeah also i just remembered there’s another super power in the neroid sector that never appears, the ICSC.

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Green:3WE
Yellow:ICSC
Orange:UPP
Blue:UA

Granted the ICSC presence is super small, but they still are in the sector/

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“They’d need huge changes to make viable for a HvH event.”
It’s partially that they’re not the CM, so they lack squad cohesion mechanics like an SL pointer and squad based radios.

That and there’s like 4 “types” of clf.
1.Basic CLF that spawns with a a random weapon. Usually a civilian shotgun + the crappiest smg - the mp5
2.Medic clf
3.The more or less discontinued CLF combat synth
4.The frankly overgunned CLF “specialist” who spawns in with an M-60 LMG, night vision goggles, and a single shot RPG. I don’t like the CLF specialist because it feels like they’re trying to compensate for how shitty the basic CLF soldier is rather than fixing it.

You’ll fix at least 50% of CLF’s problems if you replace the MP5 they spawn in with a MAR-40 and maybe let them use the Type-19 smg. From there they need the ability to have the more basic parts of a kit available to them, like pouches and the type of ammo belt that makes sense for their weapon. They’d still be inferior to the CM and UPP, and that’s fine, I think even a buffed CLF made for HvH events should be weaker, but they’ll finally have their basics covered.

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TWE survivors starting in some sort of overran bunker would be a rather neat Idea.

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