what do you HATE about CM13? 🐠

General Discussion
66

Dude same!

2 Likes
67

That i can’t play it :sob:

3 Likes
68

Average forum poster

After a few days away from playing I’m glad to say nothing stands out as something I hate long term. Mild flashes of directed anger that last maybe a round or two at most

3 Likes
69

I HATE
WARRIOR STACKS…

1 Like
70

I HATE!

1 Like
71

I hate how terribly handheld everything has gotten because bad players are abundant. (No fault of their own.)

[ Agency loss ]

I hate how on the xeno side there is just no agency after a certain timestamp. Or you lose agency because of one singular player. “Sorry did carrier w/e decide to take eggs and give them to the marines? Well its X & H vs X time!” Is it passed X on the clock? Time for stims! Is it past X on the clock? Time for nuke. Will the hive listen? No? Well they all die in random corners and that results in everyone else dying due to a lack of teamwork. Queen! Why didn’t you organize them? Why didn’t you banish them? Why didn’t you yell 40 more times to not run into the cades as a t1 vs 80 cade huggers? GUUUUAHAHAHAHAHAH.

[ Research ]

I dislike research and think it should have been removed ages ago. I cannot think of a time where it has been balanced.

It went from 1st drop god stims, to sub 40 minute white fire, weed killing OB/Nades/ Spray. Gas that can disable all your abilities, destroy weeds, strip your armor, AND daze you? Then there is the corrupted hive. (Canonically xenomorphs have never been tamed. That’s kind of the whole plot of the over arcing story.) Of course, honorary stims mention that makes all your abilities worthless.

Instead of just biting the bullet and nuking research because anyone that has played this game knows it isn’t actually balanced we sink into the “well people have been working on this for years!” But it’s clearly not working, not balanced, every single person that has ever played xeno complains about it constantly because it has no counter for the xenos besides just “don’t let the round go on longer than X time on X map.”

At least in TGMC you can gib the bodies of other xenos to stop them from processing it for intel / money. Here you can’t do anything about it at all. But even then it wouldn’t matter because the vial boxes can RNG give research corrupted, predaliens, and god stims.

[ King ]

I know people aren’t going to like this one but I’m just sharing what I hate.

I hate how the King is handled.

I hate that I can be stuck in a round for up to 1-4 hours, get King, and once again lose agency for our win because the pop up pops up and John XX gets voted in mid combat. I do not know why the Queen’s vote isn’t the heaviest to where it counts for 5 extra votes or she can just select her King.

“But Chi, you’ll just vote competent xeno # w/e.”

& to that I say…

“Yes, and?”

It’s supposed to be the xeno nuke. It’s supposed to be the thing like marine nuke that ends the round. What do you mean I can get people that don’t even know how to turn on their pheros and die at the cade line. Yes, this has happened before. Yes, I am venting so do not take this to heart. It’s just frustration.

I would much rather, buy the king, hold it for 10 minutes, and then its like “a dark shadow drapes over the battle field and you feel your heart seize with trepidation.” & then everyone dies. Just how the nuke kills everyone when it goes off. Nice, easy, the round is over and we don’t do the 20 minute clown chase of 2 dudes through maintaince.

I had this discussion with Ugnip before and he raised a good point; which was:

“It’s like if I bought the nuke for marines and then everyone had to vote if the nuke goes off or not.” — Ugnip

That’s 100% how King feels, when you’ve been stuck in a round for a long time, need the tie breaker, and its just a flop.

7 Likes
72

I guess not everyone knows it, but who gets the king is decided not just by the vote. It’s actually 50/50 chance who gets the King between the first and the second place for some reason. Well, afaik the idea behind this is to give more players (and not just a chosen set of robustos) chance to be the King, but in practice this leads to some random who voted for themselves getting king despite the entire hive voting for someone who actually deserved it.

IMO at the very least people should not be able to vote for themselves.

4 Likes
73

you hate warrior stacks, yet you yourself are a warrior stacker

curious

2 Likes
74

These are really good points. I also think Research should be deleted because everything about their design is against the spirit of CM.

  • They play a minigame completely detached from everything else
  • They’re completely at the whims of botany RNG
  • Xenos can’t do anything about it
  • Marines can’t do much about it
  • Research is balanced around a soulcrushing grind, but it’s moot when some people happily do it all the time
  • Theoretically their existence means Marines should never push at all and instead camp all day, but in reality it doesn’t happen because it’s boring as hell

CM is best when the outcome of the game isn’t decided by a single person. I also had no idea King selection was half random with no Queen vote weight, that’s actually pretty funny

4 Likes
75

Most of what I absolutely hate are small things like tackle putting a marine down in 2-3 hits regardless of his capacity to actually fight, or runners dragging people who get screeched to guaranteed death with no capacity to actually fight, or maybe just in general situations that remove player agency.

Balance wise game is mostly ok, it’s just got very frustrating moments that feel needlessly unfair sprinkled around in it.

3 Likes
76

this is slander!!! i would never play the Warrior caste in CM13 !!!

1 Like
77

This is a lie, you played as XX woy that died constantly in lv container. Also now I hate Nile same as Samson.

3 Likes
78

xenos have despolier which removes chems and xeno king has an ability like that too.

The problem is that there are barely any people trying to play/master despoiler.

sentinel/spitter or other castes needs a strain or remove chems too.

3 Likes
79

Xeno RP (the myth of it, i wish it was real)

And the fact xeno win rate is so heavily dictated by the queen. There’s a few names that come to mind where they often win not because they are an excellent commander, but because they themselves are excellent at playing the combat aspect of queen.

Im not certain in a team game one role should have so much direct impact.

That and people who just abandon their squad totally.

7 Likes
80

Well you see Despoiler’s problem is that he sucks. He doesn’t have good slash damage. Bleed, IB, and fractures are crippling, and eschar doesn’t compare. It’s not that eschar is weak, it’s that fractures are DNR tier while the other maluses are icing on the cake. There’s a decent number of players who’ll just X out of the game once they get a frac or two.

Secondly Despoiler doesn’t bring anything to the table that other T3s can’t do but better. Sure it’s got a great movespeed. But no get out of jail free cards like Rav charge. He’s also got an ability slot wasted on corrosive slash when Ravager can Tarantino a foot in two regular slashes.

Lastly his cloud gimmick - frankly you’re only able to use this to full effect when Xenos are already rolling. If Despoilers are brapping on the medic line then Xenos have basically already won. In a lateround situation to counter stims, Despoiler is taking up a T3 slot to reduce the stim metabolization of the few players bad enough to be caught out. Wouldn’t another Rav or Boiler be better all around?

So it’s a couple of three things. Despoiler lacks brute damage, and acid burn isn’t a substitute. He has no good escape or offensive micks, and his unique ability is only really useful when Xenos are already winning. There’s way better options on T3 and you can see it when players seethe in hivemind when there’s more than two Despoilers.

2 Likes
81

I hate that HEDP are so expensive, you can buy a max of 2 packets as a PFC, you can’t buy any at all if you get a grenade launcher, and the pulse rifle’s grenade launcher is too finicky to be reliable in combat IMO.

Seriously drop the cost of HEDP packets to 15 points and I will be happy

5 Likes
82

Anything that kills me

3 Likes
83

developers handholding marines so much and xenos not getting any major content

7 Likes
84

I’ve seen despoilers shine at the backline nunk. Although i havent seen despoilers have support drones like lurkers.

I do think it would be deadly. Its just no ones trying it.

3 Likes
85

I’ve only seen chichi be a genuine menace as despoiler, the caste is decent if you actually hit your abilities and stack acid, but frankly I just haven’t seen as much round impact from it as opposed to other T3s. Maybe it’s just me?

2 Likes