Just remember, if he wasn’t staff he would’ve been banned on the spot without hesitation like the 2 people who got banned for reacting to it.
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This is probably gunna get locked so I’m going to add my piece here while I can.
Recently I and two others were permanently discord banned, stripped of our WLs and I lost my council position immediately without hesitation for having a Z in our discord names and posting stalin gifs in the discord.
The official reason cited “Permanent discord ban - Coordinated harassment and acting in a manner promoting atrocities and conflict.”
The above post shows that the manager realizes that Grimreaperx15’s post was also something that made jokes about atrocities. Quite frankly if he is not dealt with the same way it will prove staff is a joke.
I think what I and the others did was stupid, but not worthy of the punishment given however I will endure it and I believe Grimreaperx15 should also.
If not you are essentially promoting a “Rules of thee, but not for me” mentality where staff get away with things others cannot simply because of their position.
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Not surprised here we’ve seen this multiple times.
You are buddy buddy with the staff team or you yourself are a staff member you can get away with pretty much anything. Be it saying “kill yourself” to other people, posting borderline porn in the discord or making jokes about tragedies.
But if you criticize, have different opinions or are argumentative then sorry buddy one mistake or slip up boom you are gone.
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You’re all way too cynical.
The changes were made to reflect the post Convo verdict with Forrest regarding grims conduct.
The bans got lifted and grim was reprimanded for his own role on it.
Stop digging for a conspiracy when there isn’t one. Read the rest of ambers response.
This is the outcome both of the individuals involved were looking for.
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Grim gets reprimanded for joking about atrocities, but I a first time offender get perma banned instantly. What part of that is digging for a conspiracy that is just objectively treating staff and players differently.
No one is saying that what the 3 perma banned didn’t deserve some punishment but what sorta double standard are you running to simply slap grims wrist and perma ban the rest.
Also a side note I’ll just edit in here is that the two insane bans in the first place were so wrong and based on Grimreapers personal bias towards the players which he frequently shows and speaks openly about.
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While this reply is a far cry better than what I expected, I think you’re missing the forest for the trees when you think this post is about the resolution rather than the fact that when a player says something that can marginally be considered offensive or ToS they’re perma’d without question, but when it’s a staff member the most that happens is them being “reprimanded” (in other words, nothing happens). If you look back on all the staff who have been suspended or removed in recent history (rip my main squeeze geeves you were too good for this server) it has all been for internally or publicly disagreeing with the current state of your team.
The fact that these bans even happened in the first place, though, is an incredible and indefensible blunder. In any community other than this one, people would expect something to actually happen beyond just removing incorrectly placed bans.
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Which is why amber has come up with a plan to make sure that this doesn’t happen going forward with too many cooks interpreting things when they’re not strictly part of the discord team.
Grim made an off handed remark which very obviously wasn’t malicious but still was in poor taste. Like amber said, we handle these things on a case by case basis viewing the intent, the harm and the context and I trust their decision to leave grim and keep those unbanned.
I strongly disagree with your view that we axe people for challenging the status quo.
Both the peeps involved in this report were respectful and communicative while still being frustrated and pissed off that they were banned. I even know for a fact they tried to literally calm down the shit storm that people were kicking off over, because they had faith that the oversight system we have would correct it. Which, it did.
You want us to engage and like you go “woah frozen replied” bro, this thread is hella combative. If you want to have a genuine Convo about stuff, then that’s fine but like it’s not just staff locking shit and sticking out head in the ground.
It takes two to tango. Amber talks about stirring the pot while still having he right to be heard but like there’s a reason the decision was made and why that’s final. We have oversight for a reason and it’s gone through the right process to get rectified.
The same way people who post Stalin memes and have Invasion logos in their name can appeal their bans.
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Geeves was literally suspended for disagreeing with the staff.
This was literally grimreaper’s response to 3 people making poor taste z jokes which was labeled as making fun of atrocities and being insensitive which resulted in instant perma bans and is dated as 05/01/2023. Literally in the same month he has called players disgusting for making jokes like the one he recently made and he is just given a slap on the wrist reprimand.
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Greeves and the MP removal debacle was nasty on both sides. The conduct was against our written staff guidelines and involved a manager stepping down for their role in it?
Again, appeal your ban if you feel you have ground to stand on. People interpret things differently and there’s a reason we have an appeals system.
Which is why amber has come up with a plan to make sure that this doesn’t happen going forward with too many cooks interpreting things when they’re not strictly part of the discord team.
I think this is a good step but can’t judge it until it’s in effect.
Grim made an off handed remark which very obviously wasn’t malicious but still was in poor taste. Like amber said, we handle these things on a case by case basis viewing the intent, the harm and the context and I trust their decision to leave grim and keep those unbanned.
I would argue that upwards of three quarters of everybody who’s been banned for similar reasons was just making a shitty joke and had no malicious intentions.
I strongly disagree with your view that we axe people for challenging the status quo.
Unless it was removed recently, there was a rule on the Discord specifically for staff members that they weren’t allowed to disagree with other staff/rulings in public channels.
You want us to engage and like you go “woah frozen replied” bro, this thread is hella combative. If you want to have a genuine Convo about stuff, then that’s fine but like it’s not just staff locking shit and sticking out head in the ground.
If it wasn’t, would it even have gotten a reply? My personal experience with the server says that it wouldn’t have, people don’t feel compelled to address things that won’t effect them. Regardless of it was intended that way, editing out a VERY significant section of that ban appeal message clearly gives the impression I posted, and if the intent was truly to just reflect a change, it could have been added as an addendum rather than what appears to be an attempt to sweep something under the rug.
The same way people who post Stalin memes and have Invasion logos in their name can appeal their bans.
Do you think if they were staff they’d have been banned? I’d like to make this clear I ask this in sincerity and not in an attempt to take a jab, which is how I expect it would normally be received.
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Unless it was removed recently, there was a rule on the Discord specifically for staff members that they weren’t allowed to disagree with other staff/rulings in public channels.
The rule this relates to is specifically about insulting/attacking staff over their decisions. People are free to disagree, it’s how they show that disagreement that tends to be the problem.
if the intent was truly to just reflect a change, it could have been added as an addendum rather than what appears to be an attempt to sweep something under the rug.
If I wanted to sweep it under the rug, I would not have made note that I removed it.
Do you think if they were staff they’d have been banned? I’d like to make this clear I ask this in sincerity and not in an attempt to take a jab, which is how I expect it would normally be received.
The same way people who post Stalin memes and have Invasion logos in their name can appeal their bans.
100%
I’m aware there are concerns from people that staff get free pass to do what they want, and there have been discrepencies before, but staff are held to higher standards, not lower. If staff were doing this then yes I would have enforced the same results as the players recevied.
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I do feel there is room to highlight that there may be a slight gap in severity between Grim posting cartoon titties, and people making “jokes” about the foreign army that literally pushed a member of staff out of their home country while scared for their life only a few months ago.
Good stuff apart from you don’t know that this is in reference to him making a Tiananmen square massacre “joke” saying it never happened.
Also its not right for him to be posting AI porn in public channels to a potentially young audience anyway and he should know better and has been told that before when there had to be rules implemented months ago to crack down on all the femboy, boysmell and other inappropriate ass horny posting.
Stick to what you know, because it ain’t this thread.
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I’ve seen the screenshots, I’ve read the appeals. What I do know is that amongst other things, a member of the community has very publically described their immigration out of the country while bombs dropped within earshot, and #current-events is following the War closely.
With that in mind, a bunch of joking Soviet posting may have been iffy since there’s absolutely some losers who see a touch of red and immediately grab the statistics for the twelve gorillion victims of communism, Bernie Sanders, and free school lunches. Changing a name to include the Z right afterward though is pretty damn rough and hard to ignore. It’s like playing lot as the terrorists in CS:GO and making jokes about that, before doing ISIS roleplay a year after 9/11 with a New Yorker who talked about their experience in the server.
Additionally: Tiananmen Square is significantly older than the Russo-Ukraine war, with the fact that even mentioning it goes against the CCP’s wishes to make sure it never happened. That really is apples and oranges.
Finally, “oh no, think of how boysmell will corrupt the junior marines!” is never applied to any of the slurs, combat footage, edgey memes, or the wars that are probably actively killing hundreds of kids. While I do agree that without further restrictions on content and language the server should be more restricted (as we know, no child has ever clicked the “I am over eighteen” button), jokes about recent large-scale atrocities do weigh heavier than some naked skin in General. Still weird to post that, though.
Post locked as it’s being turned into a peanut gallery.
And for god’s sake stop with the flagging something just because you disagree with it or don’t like what they’re saying. If it doesn’t break forum rules leave it alone.
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