Xeno Research Armor

[N.H.C]

I had this idea for a while now. Now that reserach biomass shop is a thing, this can actually work.

The biggest problem Greenos currently have, is that they dont feel really like something that fits into the USMC. Its a giant bug, nothing to make it look like its property of the USMC. Nothing that makes it look like it is figthing for the USMC. And also, you sure as shit know that a general that would make such bugs, would modify the hell out of them to make em stronger.

So, how about reserach can buy with biomass, armor for xenos. One for each cast. This would, of course, include an armor buff. But also for some casts uniqe additions. Maybe a seat so people can ride runners like cavelery into battle (you know you want to see that). Maybe Allow you to install a M56D on a charger. (that one is dumb and way to OP, but admit it would be badass as fuck.)

Honestly, i cant think of many uniqe things that wouldnt be broken OP.
but still. Besides the saddle, thats just needed. Giving them an armor buff with those VERY EXPENSIVE upgrades (about as much as the xeno would give +200) would still be a cool thing to spends points on to invest into greenos, and it would give them cool armor drip.

[RainbowStalin]

Greenos are already buff as hell (If marines don’t kill them). A singular greeno queen will just pick off the hive one by one with screech (she cannot be screeched back).

Make it a cosmetic only for all greenos, but otherwise, no.

[Catzonwheelz]

I for one love the idea. ALSO YES I WANT TO SEE ROONY CAVELRY!

That being said it maybe hard to balance well… hmmm maybe only T1 can get the armors. like just having ceramic plate on a base runner will be quite powerful.

Or you can have the armors give some drawback like speed or attack delay.

[N.H.C]

Drawbacks would be kinda shit. I mean, you spend 700-800 bio points for a runner armor, and now the runner is slower. Dont feel good man.
Also it can be ballanced just by the price.
You could, for example. Make it that xeno armor costs 2x or 3x the points you would get from the cast the armor is for. So runner armor would cost 1,5k if its 3x.

I rather make the armor more expensive. The rescource they would use isnt a self generating one after all and quite valubel. You have to concider, Everything you buy, means there is something else you cant buy. Xeno armor you buy, means ceramic plates for marines you cant buy. Flamer tank you buy, means autodoc upgrades you can buy.
Most of our point shops can offer extremly powerfull things, by the fact alone that they use up a finite rescource and by how much they use up.

Like, on its own, just fact that you can buy metal from req is incredibly overpowerd. Being able to creat metal instantly is a HUGE deal. But its balanced by the fact that points for REQ shops are finite, and can only be aquired by via time or intel points.
And biomass points are currently our most faires points we have. They are the only shop points that cant be aquired just because you do nothing and let time pass. Only players activly playing can earn those points. (sligth rant because of people not realising how fair biomass printer is for xenos)

Also, the armor is gone when the xeno dies. No second tries.

And PS.

@RainbowStalin

Greenos are already buff as hell

Xenos are 1:1 the same as black hive. Hives dont have stat changes. Your buff greeno queen that can stun lock xenos to pick them off, exissts 1:1 in the black hive.

[DanielHoc]

Any form of marines or xenos riding each other is a terrible idea, people are already weird, cringe and gross and act close to ERP border when they see corrupted.

Buffing corrupted? Terrible idea, they might be the same as prime xenos but they can do whatever they want since marines tank most of the heat from normal xenos, from my own experience all i need to turn the tide as corrupted is one drone and enough marines to slow down hostile xenos.

[N.H.C]

Now, the ERP thing is silly. Especially concidering that you mean people could interpret it like this.
And especially because we have literal vore already in the game. Xenos can swallow fully marines. Thats the picture book example of a kink. So i have a feeling being able to saddle xenos wont make it worse.

But the corncern with the buff is good.
Thankfully the buff wouldnt be free, but rather pricy. A price that can be adjusted.
And also, buying the xeno armor, means not being able to buy other things. Like, you know, an autodoc upgrade that removes larva.
Or all the other very strong stuff it has.

Even so, it will likly need to be really expensive for it to work. Like, 5k for runner armor level expensive. (thats a highball but still)

[Luxulria]

love the idea and with the balance i say the price is good because no research will ever use points in other thing that are not credits like they never buy anything other than that i would know i have close to 100 hours in research so i think making the armor cost like 3 or 4k will make them buy the armor 1 and never again really unless the round last 3 hours

[DanielHoc]

My point about marines talking weird things that are on the border of ERP already happen, adding ability for marines would just add fuel to the fire.

[N.H.C]

yeah… research has nothing they would spend points on… rigth now…

Legit though, if your not printing autosurgeon upgrades as researcher your handicapping mecial, hard. You would not belive how good they are. In general, if you think stuff besides points aint worth it, you need to re-read a lot of the things in there. Like, the bio printer is currently the only way to make fire chems for flamers worth it. Or the plates that let marines take much less FF.

[RainbowStalin]

Greenos being 1:1 with prime isn’t what makes them OP. Its that they have marine support to back them up. If you think SADAR AP rocket is good, wait until you get greeno screech which is the same thing basicly (minus the minimal damage of the rocket), but its screen wide.

Add to that drones who make weeds that slow and take over prime weeds, they do not need a buff, at all.

[N.H.C]

Or the fact that boiler gass has IFF, and can fuck enemy xenos up.(Ps, boilergas color changes depending on hive. Some hives have pretty cool colors.)

Legit though, i get that it makes them stronger. Like, thats the purpose of armor.
But as i said before, we are able to already buy much much stronger things using cheaper rescources. ie. Metal

That its bad because it makes them stronger isnt really helping anyone. Because thats the nature of an upgrade. And im not planning to make this a free upgrade. So im really confused where your problem with this is.

Its using the fairest point shop we have, isnt free, and doesnt give them a hard buff.
Im likly gonna make it one time use as well. So once its installed it cant be reused.
The xenomoprh addapting and the armor becoming part of them and all that.
Like, im planning on pricing it in a way where you can expect about 2-3 greenos at most to have armor.

[RainbowStalin]

I’m still not convinced that greenos need a buff. You can price it as whatever, or explain that it isn’t that strong, but it is still a buff to what is essentially one of four marine game enders.

[osmos]

You got me at the ridable xenos. Imagine if you could do this and have multiple marines on top of a corrupted xeno queen.

[Flatulent]

@DanielHoc

Any form of marines or xenos riding each other is a terrible idea

interesting choice of words

[Sunken_Grove]

Maybe set it up similarly to the plates that already exist for the humans? A plate that lets the xeno’s speech be translated, a plate that reduces bullet damage, a plate that increases the critical window (similar to warding pheromones), and a place that reduces bleeding (no more splashing marines, idk if this actually a problem). Maybe some sort of flashlight/floodlight attachment?
Maybe even let the regular hive loot these? That would make them an immense gamble, which is somewhat already the theme of greenos.
On this line of thought, xeno IFF tags should be printable in the biomass printer.

[N.H.C]

Nah, thats boring af. Main purpose behind the armor will be that its enhances the xenos ability in some way. Like, maybe give the runner a stomache that puts people into stasis. Very likly that. To promote runner as a transport role. Because acid runner dont really work with XvX combat.

Main reason why i want to make armor is to give greenos more of a purpose in the marine corps. Rigth now they just play like they normally do with little to no diffrence. Even though they should feel very much diffrent.

Also a big reason why im for a gamemode with greenos unlocked roundstart. So people can actually develop gameplay styles for greenos, and it can be developed for them. Instead of having to guess.

[SubjectD9341]

The idea of marines riding any kind of greeno as some kind of tamed horse is incredibly silly and LRP. In no way should this be introduced into the game.

Corrupteds by design are also a very strong asset to marines just because of their clusters and resin nodes. As of now, they don’t need additional gear to improve their capabilities.

The only point where some things could be changed is how the current supply of monkey cubes work, that’s it.

[c4xmaniac]

If you want ridable xenos I think there’s another server for you called TGMC, please move there ASAP

[NyoomVoyager]

Not ridable on tgmc

[N.H.C]

My man. If you belive, the USMC using xenomoprhs for transport, is LRP, you need a primer on lore.
For one 1. Good that you used horses as example, horses where one of the most important tools of war for a LOOONG time. Only “recently” replaced by cars. Thinking the USM wouldnt try and use xenomoprhs for war is just incorect.
Infact, thats the whole reason how Ripply 8 came to be. The USM, trying to make xenomoprhs, fucked up a bit and made her instead. Dont ask how that works.

And 2.
If you think, the USMC slapping some armor plates on xeno morphs, or saddeling a runner, is LRP.
I like to introduce you to offical Alien Canon.

The Newborn.
Sometingh that happend where an Xeno Queen developed a womb after being injected with human DNA, and gave live birth to this thing. They will, and have used xenomoprhs for war and research.

Alien is a francise with TONS of silly shit in it as well.
Gorillian, Crocodiallian, Fishallian, Spidiallian, Birdallian.
Those are all real xenomoprhs. And i only made up some of the names. Most of em where just made up by toy manufactures. But got still put into comics, because why not. Funny monkey xenomoprh upon ye.

LOOK AT THE COMIC PANNEL! Thats a Gorillian queen.

And your coming at me with LRP in a francise that doesnt even take itself serious most of the time.

And if you say “Oh but thats meant to be silly, that doesnt count. The real version of it isnt silly.”
This is the proper deisgn of serious gorilla xenomoprhs.

It looks so dumb. Why does it have wings for gods sake?

Here it is from a diffrent angel. This is the concept art of it.

Stuff being silly isnt LRP. Silly stuff can work in even the grim darkest of settings. I mean look at Warhammer. That takes itself TOO serious most of the time. And even it has silly shit in it.
Having a few things, that are somewhat silly is completly ok. It doesnt break the setting. Only thing is you have to moderate it. But its exsitence isnt a problem.

Also, on your concerncs about this making greenos too strong. The armor would be something the marines need to invest recources for. Not just have it for free. It would be an purchasable option to make the greenos stronger. Just as marines can already use the risk of the black market to get more hosts, or skill to perform assited bursting for infinit hosts.