CastorTroy23 - Commanding Officer Application

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thank you for the clarification regarding the XO situation. when given specifics about the scenario like that, i would argue a brig sentence to quell the marines if the situation calls for it, or a BE if it’s some super fuckup in my absence

when it’s put that way, then yes, i believe i could’ve done better, and i apologize for that

however, i can guarantee you i did not intentionally try to insult anyone by lazing my way into the application, nor did i assume i would be accepted simply because of my whitelists and the fact i have a reputation: i simply feel like it wouldn’t be hard to fuck up pardons or BEs, and as such i gave very generic examples: i am simply bad at creative writing and even just coming up with scenarios to use my powers in
for this same reason, it’s the backstory and the character information that i spent most of my time on, and which i felt were up to par. i’ll gladly take any critique regarding that too, however

all things considered, though, i completely understand if this is to be denied: i think i would reapply and consider my answers more carefully next time. however, if it’s going to stay up, i’ll gladly answer any and all questions sent my way, and again, if there is something for me to learn, i will gladly do that. thank you

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EDIT: This is gonna sound bad and a lol moment, but I have to switch back to neutral for now, I would like to see some more answers to questions you will definitely get soon

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Hey there! You’ve got a lot of community support and I don’t believe your gameplay competency is in doubt by anyone who has taken a look at your application thus far. I personally have a few questions and concerns about your application as someone who doesn’t know you as well as some of the other commenters.

As always, don’t feel pressured to respond as I’m not on the CO Council.

Your answers here are bit cookie cutter from the CO Code of Conduct and, to me, reflect that you’ve read the guidelines more than you actually understand them. If you could explain in a bit more detail why you would pardon the Specialist and Comtech in your first two examples, and give some more substantive examples of when you wouldn’t use a pardon that would be excellent. I’ve also got two questions on pardons for you.

  1. While a Nurse is moving around the Almayer they spot the MST dragging the body of an unconscious (not dead) marine into the kitchen, presumably to grind up their body and use it in their cooking. The Nurse confronts the MST on this and has their suspicions confirmed, however the MST refuses to give up the body and makes clear their intent to continue on with killing the marine. At this point the Nurse takes action and kills the MST before they can grind up the marine, only calling MPs after the fact. The Nurse is arrested for Failure to Follow Procedure and Murder, do you pardon them? Why or why not?

  2. A Delta PFC opens fire on a member of Charlie Squad in the prep rooms prior to first drop. Delta’s SL shoots that same PFC to the point that they’re in pain crit, at which point they restrain them with zipcuffs while a nearby Corpsman works on getting them back to health. MPs arrive on the scene shortly after where they arrest the Delta PFC for Murder but also arrest the SL for Assault with a Deadly Weapon and Illegal Confinement. Do you pardon the SL? Why or why not?

I have a similar gripe with your BE answers here, they’re a bit lackluster and don’t really give any insight as to how you’d play as the Commanding Officer. Again, I’d like you to go into a bit more detail on your rationale here and I’ve got two more questions for your consideration.

  1. On several occasions the Pilot of the Normandy has strafed friendly lines with their CAS. Whether it’s a result of malicious behavior or simply bad shot calling by the marines isn’t known to you, but the pilot is wholly unrepentant for their behavior over comms. They’ve additionally added that if any MP comes to arrest them for any reason that they will not go peacefully. Do you head to the hangar and BE the pilot when they land? Why or why not?

  2. A Charlie PFC has reportedly been stealing metal from the FOB for unknown purposes, he has no helmet on so your Overwatch Officers can’t call out their position and Bravo has proven incapable of stopping them. These thefts have proceeded to a point where there are significant areas of the FOB that are either left without defenses or the defenses are very thin. You’ve stated over Charlie comms several times for the PFC to return the metal and knock off their behavior to no avail, although you eventually catch him in the act while you’re in the FOB. Do you BE the PFC? Why or why not?

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@spear switching to neutral, apologies, did some thonk thinkin and what i’ve said in discordy and I am reverting back just a tad bit. I think application quality kind of matters a bit to me, though you have brought up excellent points. It would be good if your responses to me were in the original app!!!

I would like to see your responses to questions that will be coming real soon to ya!!!

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I’m sorry but I’ve not had any positive memorable interactions with you. I have also barely seen you play any support roles through my own two eyes, this might be cause we play at different times but the only roles I’ve seen you play is only marine roles. Sorry but a -1 from me.

I can say that your pardon’s look good to me, definetly something I’d like to see from a CO your BE’s are fine with me, but BEing people for hooliganism is a bit overboard. Maybe if your setting an example for people to settle down yeah, but ending a marines round over smoke grenades… that just doesn’t sit well with me.

Assault is fine but depends on the situation you are in. If its groundside then yeah I’m cool with that, but only if your not in a safezone. LRP is self explanatory. Overall your BE’s fit with the ML so I’m sure that’ll be fine.

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Hey Spear.

I haven’t had much experience with you in command that I can recall aside from observing you earlier today. I’ve had good moments with you as Eric though.

I also don’t usually comment directly about the writing of apps, counselors can see them anyway but I was advised to point it out. I believe your app to be subpar compared to apps accepted since forums migrated. The difference between yours and other accepted apps is noticeable if you put them all next to each other. I get that most possible scenarios and situations about BEs and pardons have all been overdone. Good stories are difficult to write. But everyone else went through the hustle so it’s not impossible. Your story is interesting but short, character information is good, BEs and pardons are right from the textbook, a couple are a bit wacky. I don’t feel like you compared your app to the accepted ones or I don’t know what happened.

Some people think that apps should not be the main dish of the application process and instead should be compensated by vouches. You have a lot of those. I believe both the app and vouches matter. Players with low effort apps but high recognition should have trouble getting in, the same as randos with high effort apps.

I can’t in the future picture myself, when asked by an applicant about your app and tell him that you were received because you were recognised or famous enough, maybe tell him he’ll have to put twice the work into his app because he’s not or that nobody cared about your app because of it.

Gonna be real a hot second here, your app isn’t the crown jewels and it’s fine but it’s not even comparable to any recently accepted. It will set a new standard with applicants looking up to it if they didn’t realise what happened, or they’ll notice the unfairness of it. That’s my belief.

This is ridiculous because you have a lot of community support and you’re good. Yet you didn’t bother with the app which has a literal hole in it. All of the above said with no malice. Good luck.

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Applicants have been denied over poor creative writing or giving generic BE and pardon answers as you guys put it. Many have also genuinely tried or owned up to it and seen their application refused. All that doesn’t majorly factor in. Applications are rated, not the effort itself put into them.

Spear’s competency at roleplaying or leading isn’t in doubt, I’m concerned about the repercussions of such an app being received and the example it sets. People are asking questions about BEs and pardons which should have been in the app but I guess the end result is the same than if they had been included since the beginning. Again, good luck Spear.

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Yeah… this is true and fair

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hi! of course

If you could explain in a bit more detail why you would pardon the Specialist and Comtech in your first two examples, and give some more substantive examples of when you wouldn’t use a pardon that would be excellent.

i would pardon the specialist because the crime isn’t something done in bad faith, is arguably negligible, and the specialist itself is a marine that is essential for marine round progression. sometimes, even making them miss first drop will make a difference
the comtech, on the other hand, i would forgive simply because their action is something done in good faith, as it aids the operation. all the more reason if the almayer is shortstaffed on comtechs

some more substantial examples!

I would NOT pardon a wave of marines thrown into the brig for stripping and assaulting an MP in the dropship because ‘that’s a high amount of marines’.
i would NOT pardon a marine who attempts to deconstruct the ship before there is any actual need for it, or is ordered to.

im so sorry about these two above ive literally been bogged down the past hour thinking of something :patrice:

as per the pardon questions,

While a Nurse is moving around the Almayer they spot the MST dragging the body of an unconscious (not dead) marine into the kitchen, presumably to grind up their body and use it in their cooking. The Nurse confronts the MST on this and has their suspicions confirmed, however the MST refuses to give up the body and makes clear their intent to continue on with killing the marine. At this point the Nurse takes action and kills the MST before they can grind up the marine, only calling MPs after the fact. The Nurse is arrested for Failure to Follow Procedure and Murder, do you pardon them? Why or why not?

while i believe that screaming for the MPs is the first thing that should be done unless a life is actively being threatened, i would also interpret the nurse’s doings as something done in the heat of the moment, to prevent something abhorrent from happening (see: crime against humanity). would pardon for this, much like i’d pardon someone murdering someone else attempting to forcefully infect with a xeno larva

A Delta PFC opens fire on a member of Charlie Squad in the prep rooms prior to first drop. Delta’s SL shoots that same PFC to the point that they’re in pain crit, at which point they restrain them with zipcuffs while a nearby Corpsman works on getting them back to health. MPs arrive on the scene shortly after where they arrest the Delta PFC for Murder but also arrest the SL for Assault with a Deadly Weapon and Illegal Confinement. Do you pardon the SL? Why or why not?

for me, this hinges entirely on whether the delta PFC’s shot was a misfire or an intentional assault. no pardon if the former. pardon if the latter

I have a similar gripe with your BE answers here, they’re a bit lackluster and don’t really give any insight as to how you’d play as the Commanding Officer. Again, I’d like you to go into a bit more detail on your rationale here and I’ve got two more questions for your consideration.

not a big fan of heavy disruption of the briefing as it makes communicating the plan an actual nightmare, with all the logs being flooded and all the noises and visuals distracting from something you should stop for a second and read
also not a fan of being called the hard R. i use the HPC clause if i get called that as a pred (has happened before)
‘when I am being murdered’ may sound vague but it’s so i don’t make it seem like i’d kill over a punch or a singular stab, which i don’t think i wouldn’t. intent to kill has to be there

i would NOT BE over ingame incompetence. would probably use it to knock people down if it’s blocking my path, though? I’ve seen CO whitelistees do it

as for the BEs:

On several occasions the Pilot of the Normandy has strafed friendly lines with their CAS. Whether it’s a result of malicious behavior or simply bad shot calling by the marines isn’t known to you, but the pilot is wholly unrepentant for their behavior over comms. They’ve additionally added that if any MP comes to arrest them for any reason that they will not go peacefully. Do you head to the hangar and BE the pilot when they land? Why or why not?

everything about this screams they should be BE’d. being that unrepentant is also usually a sign of doing it on purpose. threatening murder to MPs. would

A Charlie PFC has reportedly been stealing metal from the FOB for unknown purposes, he has no helmet on so your Overwatch Officers can’t call out their position and Bravo has proven incapable of stopping them. These thefts have proceeded to a point where there are significant areas of the FOB that are either left without defenses or the defenses are very thin. You’ve stated over Charlie comms several times for the PFC to return the metal and knock off their behavior to no avail, although you eventually catch him in the act while you’re in the FOB. Do you BE the PFC? Why or why not?

dependent on whether he spills the beans about where the metal is, and demand he helps reclaim that metal for FOB usage. would also demand he never does it again (or else). if all of the above are affirmative… no BE! otherwise yes. for fucking with the FOB, which is operation essential

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Alright, I’ve got several things I have to point out about your responses which may come across as harsh.

It’s already against COC to issue mass pardons, each one has to be individually investigated even if multiple marines were brigged for the same crime. I’m not sure why you included this here as it’s blatantly described in the COC as something you already can’t do. I don’t speak for the CO Whitelist, but I know I expect examples not to just be cookie cutters of what’s already out there.

This was the really big question here, mainly because it included a pitfall that many CO applicants find themselves missing. You cannot pardon a capital offense like murder without express permission from High Command. A more acceptable answer here would have been negotiating the charge down from murder to something like manslaughter through some interpretation of the spirit of the law, seeing as the Nurse was trying to be a good Samaritan. Above all else, I was looking for you to recognize that murder isn’t a pardonable offense.

This isn’t something COs can do. You can’t shoot a marine to knock them down or force them out of your path like the Queen can shove bodyblocking Xenos. I’d urge you to reach out to one of the CO Councillors and tell them more about that situation, as it shouldn’t be occuring at all.

Other COs may disagree with me on this, but the second that the PO is in the hangar they no longer pose an immediate threat to the safety of the operation. Since all these questions are assuming that you have the full Almayer Staff at your disposal, your MPs should be more than equipped to move in and arrest the PO for whatever you may charge them with. Again, BEing them here isn’t wrong per se but there is a better alternative to round-ending them.

I like you, spear. You seem like you have a good head on your shoulders, but I can’t in good faith give you anything but a -1 at this time. I implore you to read over the Commanding Officer Code of Conduct in more detail and log some more hours as an MP.

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Good fragger and supportive SO +1.

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Much as @Harrysno said. You do seem to have a good head on your shoulders but I can not give you anything in good faith alone, so; -1 for the time being, with the option of mending this to neutral being open. Read the CO code of conduct more, and find more time within your day to log more hours in the game.

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If there’s any person you can trust to uphold and surpass the standards of the CO whitelist, it’s spear, both in the community and in-game. No need to repeat everything that’s been said already.

+1

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Can you inform the Council why you applied with ‘Isaiah Colt’, but then decided to create a totally different character one day after creating this application, just for playing Command?

We have only recently tightened the belt when it comes to Whitelisted COs staying consistent with their characters and staying true to the story and personality they intend for that character to be true. In other words, we try to hold people accountable to the lore of their own characters instead of totally diverging from it the moment they get in-game.

Why did you decide not to play your desired CO Character for the duration of this application? How are we meant to judge whether you intend to pull off their personality, and how well you do so? Or maybe you don’t care about keeping to a solid character and personality at all?

Not to say we think this, but consider that for a moment. We’re all still very much at a loss as to why you’re jumping from character to character in the middle of an app. It’s not a great look, I won’t lie.

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hello,

i just thought it didn’t make sense for him to be a captain, but it all clicks now, my apologies

i’ll start using Isaiah Colt now

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Giving a +1, with Spear being the kind of player I can see being a CO just by general feel, and no issues I’ve experienced firsthand.

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Man does this application ever put to the test how much you can get away with on name alone. Answers both to questions and in the main application itself are rough, to varying degrees. Inconsistencies between answers in the BE section are also less than inspiring tbh.

However, this is contrasted with a lotta vets from people I respect, two WLs secured and a WL council as well, with 100+ SL hours to boot, which you know I gotta support.

Odds on its gonna come down to how I see you behave in round, please try to maximize XO uptime. Also what hours and TZ? Ultimately, my gut says take some more time, shop your application around, and you’ll very likely get accepted the next time round, if you don’t get it here.

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hi! TZ and hours respectively at the start of the application and first replies. here’s my XO time rn, 20 more since the start, with a slight increases in SO time as well

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Good to see the hours up, and ahh, that’d explain the lack of overlap, was more asking what hours during the day though? Like 6-8PM, 9-10, etc?

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+1.

Reasons for this is very simple. In my criteria and in my experience you would have done more than enough to earn the CO whitelist.

Others may nitpick and even go for the technical stuff but you already earned two really hard whitelists to get. Synth and Predator whose standards and rules are much harder to follow. That is not a minor thing at all and should be taken into consideration for this application.

You are a current councilor for predators and someone who is a problematic or otherwise doesn’t fit in an area where players rely on you for rulings or your verdicts on whitelist related issues wouldn’t have achieved that. Some may argue that the Pred Council is super easy to get into because not many people want to do it but the ability to want to take initiative and do a service for the community should say a lot about the investment you’ve put into this community and who you are as a player.

Lastly I’ve had you 3 times as an XO and in every round you’ve allowed me the opportunity to step out of the CIC and handle shipside issues with absolutely no issue coming towards the Operation. You’re a really great communicator for one. You engage with other players and marines/SLs/shipside staff very well, I can’t find a single thing to honestly critique you on that I would not be guilty of myself. Despite what anyone else says. I genuinely believe you should have this whitelist and what comes with it.

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