MP play styles and how they Can effect a game

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There is a problem: Specs get arrested, entire marine force is punished. It is a main problem.
Proposed solution, among many others - arrest immunity.

The whole discussion is about this particular problem. You are overfixating on arrest immunity part (I noticed you in basically every single thread revolving around MPs and ML, always being in favour of them).

Lets go the the first two posts that sparked me talking about spec more than a mere mention that I care when they get brigged, unlike PFCs:

Then you chimmed in about specs even further. It is ironic, but I want to remind us all this is thread about “MP play styles and how they Can effect a game”, not “SPECS ARREST IMMUNITY SPEEDMERGE NOW!”

I remember those posts and I still fail to notice how they prove that the whole discussion is about giving specs arrest immunity. It is a chunk of it, large chunk, but it is not “whole discussion”.
I am not denying that we are discussing spec arrest immunity, but you imply that this is all there is. No, this is not all there is. I’m in favour of dropping spec arrest immunity for making them unable to break the law as they are too important to do so. SLs have to listen to command orders, because they are too important not to do so.

Can you either own up to not understanding written text and distance yourself from MP bootlicking, or stop arguing that this whole discussion is only about giving specs arrest immunity?

For the tired folks out here, I am all for any solution to the presented problem: Marine force being grieffed via brigging their important roles. Arrest immunity for them is one of those solutions, I argue a good one, doesn’t involve staff, doesn’t involve code changes, perfection. Not for MP bootlickers.

Good thing that we atleast agree that grieffing entire marine force for misbehaviour of one is bad and if proper solution is found, should be implemented. That means a lot to me.

Not really necessary, but maybe that too. Every single marine has to drop atleast once, this is in the rules. It is one thing to miss first drop, because you are late joiner, or were standing in a long req line, but you cannot just refuse to drop.

If you want to arrest that spec for his heinous crimes, then you have to cuff him in the first place anyway, but the destination would change, instead of brig, it would be DS. Then you just wait for Alamo to take off, bucking him to a seat there, he will ressist out of buckle and cuffs eventually on his own, or fellow marines will help him during flight.

But it doesn’t have to jump into nuclear option, unlike what regular shitsec SS13 player (and MP bootlicker) would jump first hand, verbal communication that due to misbehaviour his arrest is postponed till end of the OP and that he is required to drop immediately peacefully might work wonders.

While I don’t put much attention to RP when it comes to OOC gameplay issues like this one, Falling Falcons is a penal battalion. Fighting shit groundside is already an RP pre-round punishment for some marines. They are not sitting in jail on life sentences, or maybe even death penalties, because they sit in a fob made out of shitty metal cades on some rimworld next to UPP space and inside spheres of influence of both xenos and CLF.

So what OP is going to fail? What do you mean by that? You mean you can’t have fun in a failed OP? Even if it is a failed OP, maybe that spec, or maybe that medic makes it not a totall steamroll by xenos, so that people can have fun? Both xenos and marines? I know this might be hard for shitsec/MP bootlickers/greentext traitors, but it is nice to make that we all have fun.
Or maybe some of us are here to be smug for removing the other guy from a round, be it with slash, bullet, or tazer?

But who cares about those stupid meaningless crimes? This is a combat server. Why you feel so inclined to “punish” the other guy? Oh no, spec broke a fricking window in prep and then said a mean word to your self-insert MP thus hurt your feeling. Time to brig the fuck, maybe he will learn not to break ML again.
I start to notice the same patterns that vanilla shitsec has.

The problem seems to run so deep that I’m seriously thinking about starting to main MP/CMP to dunk on shitsec MP bootlickers.

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Damn, I read all those paragraphs and words ya made, but it all just comes down to you hating MPs for brigging people for breaking ML.
Please go play TG if you want an actual combat server, as CM does have RP standards, that it seems you either cannot accomplish, or do not want.

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First, MPs doing their job isn’t shitsec. Second, you consider specs being arrested an issue. We can talk about that. Your proposed solution is to give specs arrest immunity and I consider that idea shit. Either post some arguments for spec arrest immunity or recognize that arrest immunity would be bad and find another solution. You’ve already talked about specs being OOCly forced to follow marine law and while better than arrest immunity, I doubt this would ever pass management. Third, you finally noticed that your arguments aren’t working and are now threatening to roll CMP and enforce your idea yourself, essentially preventing MPs from doing their job?

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People are ultimately responsible for how they act. It shouldn’t matter if they are a specialist, if they choose to act LRP, or actively break laws willy nilly, its their own fault. Immunity from arrests for specs is an incredibly dumb idea that rewards negative behaviour by giving little to no punishment for acting the way they do.

Most specialists that do get arrested are arrested because they choose to interfere in the arrests of other players. Does that mean them interfering makes it impossible to be handled by MPs?

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we’ve been waiting for this for half a decade

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I don’t mean to join the discussion as it is a pointless back and forth for years, but any kind of arrest immunity or special treatment regarding ML for anything that isn’t CO or synth will never happen. I’m convinced Forest would also post this in here if he wanted to.

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soooooooo based

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I’ve got a pair of kinky boots…

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As a CMP, if you still have a clean note history, then you should try atleast once in your career to start a gladiator ring in the brig. Have prisoners fight eachother until one passes out. The winner gets their appeal instantly accepted and freed. And don’t forget to keep this operation as discreet as possible by cleaning up all the blood, and having a doctor on site.

It’s fun and it’s a good time. Jannies and Provost OCs will not like it, but they can suck my balls.

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If you cut the appeal and use gloves, this might even be legal

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If it is what you deduced based on all of my posts, like:

I enjoy slower pace of CM combat and CM is a combat server first and foremost. I also feel attached to a server (that is why I returned to SS13 anyway) and it has consistently high pop.

Please, go Aurora if you want an actual RP sever, as CM does have combat as core.

Never said they are. You are AGAIN putting words in my mouth, misunderstanding my opinion, or just outright purposefully cherrypicking sentences and mixing them into something that I never said.
Find me a quote where I say that MPs just doing their job is shitsec.
MPs unintentionally roleplaying Oblivion’s guards IC and OOC are.

There is one mistake I made and it was going with the name “arrest immunity” getting everyone confused. During the discourse we had here I already changed original “arrest immunity” to “brig immunity”, where arrest still happens as per usuall, but instead of brig, arrested guy goes to DS and if forced to drop as he was arrested.

You felt threatened? Not to mention another baseless assumption, what “gave away” that I noticed that my arguments fall on deaf ears and started with… Threats…

How it is a threat that neither MP, nor CMP could do anything to stop you from arresting spec who actually commited a crime? That would be breaking the server rules. Even CMP can’t pardon anyone without faxing admemes.

So tell me again how it is a threat. And if you are unable to do so, I will have 100% sure that you are either a troll, or actually a bad person and I will actually cease to engage with you on any topic in any conversation.

If I wanted to threat you, or someone about spec issue, I would say that I will apply to be a CO so then I can pardon every “important role” that was brigged.

But I assume you felt threatened and that you are type of MP player that I hate with burning passion. Can you provide your MP character name?

The statement wasn’t a threat. I believe that things are so bad and run so rampant that somebody has to step in and show Judge Dredd wannabies how to be a decent person even as MP.

“Arrest immunity” is a bad name that makes people confused. The correct term would be “brig immunity” to better reflect my beliefs. Arrest immunity, which would mean that MPs can’t touch said person at all and treat it as a ghost is indeed stupid.

Well, that is unfortunate if true. Because it leaves us with the issue without easy ML solution. Only xeno-styled token and gear removal, which I imagine would be a bitch to code and even then, waiting for late joiner, or random PFC to get entire spec loadout fast enough.

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Yes you can use gloves. But cut the appeals?? Whats the point of running a gladiator ring if it has no stakes? What better reward a CMP could give to a prisoner other than an early release?

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The name doesn’t matter much, I think you understand that “escort to the DS” does exactly the same thing as “untouchable by MPs”: if the spec is untouchable, he gets on the alamo after comitting the crime and deploys. If the spec gets escorted to the DS, he gets on the alamo after comitting the crime and deploys, with the difference of MPs having some more busywork.

Counter-argument, tell me what else you meant with this.

Sure thing, Todd Douglas it is, I use him for all other roles too, feel free to grief me. If you want to metagrudge me OOCly as well, ckey is the same as my name here.

Either understand that CM is MRP or go play TGMC.

Here we go: you claim that MPs punishing the spec for breaking a window (aka MPs doing their job) is shitsec:

This sentence pretty much describes your behaviour in this thread, read it again:

You know, threats don’t work if you don’t back them up with actions, so I guess just stop answering if you consider me a troll? Kinda funny how you declare me a troll after running out of arguments, but sure, I don’t care that much.

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I let Gramps into the yard with the CL one time with the explicit understanding that the CL would be dead within a minute, does that count?

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Just say “How was i supposed to know that gramps would shank the local CL to death?” and mark it to incompetance.

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Does him saying “gonna shank that bastard to death” count as a reason I was supposed to know?

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But you never heard him say it. And if they pull logs, just say you didn’t read it.

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Genius stuff, might need you as my lawyer when the provost comes busting down my door

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Don’t worry, I used to go around lawyering as CL for the marines (MPs hated me more then usual).

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That’s quite an achievement

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