The solution for this spec snowflakes problem is quite simple:
Specs get immunity against crimes, but they get jban if lose that match (round) as spec.
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You can shoot the CO but you must win the op to not get perma banned.
ngl I donât get mad when I get arrested as a lowpop engi - I just know FOB wonât be built. As for specs⌠well they already make/break rounds with FF (scouts/snipers excluded).
Scout will break someone bones with incen round then proceed to step on hugger trap and mald on dchat
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nobody likes scouts until they do corpse retrieves or hive dives, no lies.
Giving specs immunity from crimes⌠May as well make it a Whitelist roll whilst you are at it.
If you manage to pull spec and start fucking around and get arrested for it, you deserve a sentence. If the arresting MP overreached for it, they have the opportunity to appeal their sentence to the CMP/XO/CO. If said appeal fails they can fax provost and essentially appeal to them. There are plenty of ways to go against over-eager MPs but if you fail at every hurdle after messing around, or dont even try, enjoy your sentence, you basically handicapped the operation because you decided to fuck around.
MPs have a role to play in the safety and security of the ship, and upholding of Marine Law. Donât be annoyed at MPs for doing their jobs because people with important and limited rolls decide to break said laws.
I personally attempt to handle minor crimes as swiftly and easily as possible without having to do an arrest.
Trespassing in req? Leave. Break a window? NJP is to fix that window. Hack a cigarette vendor? Meh, guess its free now.
But if you actually refuse to fix it or do not perform an NJP, you will be jailed.
I will probably regret this as it seems like a troll attempt, but fuck it:
âReal robust gamer who spend unhealthy ammount of time on this game are worth the salt in my tears, for them it is no punishment at all, they broke the ML out of sheer boredom just to be a nuisance and do a little fuckery via trolling.â
Where you see even a mention of âMPs shouldnât attempt to punish themâ? I assume you took my reply to RainbowStalin about how both 10-20 minutes brig charge and âyou should feel badâ are not a punishment.
Then I explain that out of non-noob and non-grieffers it is robustos who break ML.
The same names being regularly brigged is a known fact.
You in your âtiredâ mind made a connection that since it is usually decent players who get brigged, then it has to mean that I am for making robust players immune to Marine Law, allowing them to beat marines, shoot people, steal shit and such.
Despite the fact that I made clear earlier, even as a reply to you:
âSure, I donât care if that spec suicide charges into the enemy lines five minutes post drop, because that is a skill issue, and if he does that repeteadly then it is a grief and if noticed, he will be banned.â
No, gameplay skill level of a player shouldnât matter outside basics of mechanics of their role.
Then you also casually ignored the fact that it is not only about specs. But also about lone medics (and then mentioned recently - lone engineers) in a squad. It is about important people.
Then you also casually ignored the fact that I mentioned, or discussed and agreed about other solutions, like Specs being bound by server rules to not break ML. Or like brigged specs getting their token and gear removed and given to random PFC/late joiner, simillarly to how xenos deal with T3s that break âAlien Lawâ which is not listening to Queen.
Or just ignoring discussed alternatives to being brigged, like being escorted to DS to drop immediately by MPs.
Why that whole argument at all? It is not about making Specs/robust people above the ML.
It is to protect marines groundside from being punished for actions of somebody else.
Tell, me please, if you are not tired, why PVT Baldo McBald has to be punished with lack of spec, lack of the only medic, or lack of the only engineering in the squad? Why he has to go perma while being recovered and revivable, because the only medic in his squad called MP âstinkyâ and then ran away and get captured? Why he has to be punished by being charged by overextended T3, who would be otherwise deterred, or killed by SADAR spec, who broke few windows in prep and then got in a fist fight with grape PFC?
Why entire marine groundside force has to be punished for actions of one?
It was recognised that Xeno Hive shouldnât be punished for misbehaviour of one of their members. That is why banishing T3 and then killing defenceless xeno gives back larvae and any T2 ready to evolve is ready to fill their shoes in a blink of an eye, while some T1 fills T2 slot.
Why banishing some important xeno (which is T3, kind of a equivalent of Spec) for not listening the Queen doesnât punish every single other xeno?
I am asking everyone here: Why I, a PFC groundside with a Pulse Rifle, have to be punished, because spec break ML (but not server rules)?
And please, donât tell me that 3 PFCs with pulse rifle are better than SADAR, Demo, or sniper.
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This thread is the great wall of CM Forum Text.
blessed post. roflmen cant evolve beyond âbuild basic cade (no folders)â or â-15s co-ordâ calling. even as an engi/sg/spec though sometimes you just gotta be able to laugh - even as Gramps playing roflman people try to riot/mutiny and i talk them down over general comms
WYCI
Marines gets punished by singular roles every time. The lone SO who OBs the front. The CO who ordrers split drop into 00:30 hijack. The rifleman who slugs a spec into getting hugged. These are all actions that you can do in the game, (With the SO, as long as you can argue its an accident is 100% legal) and they all carry consequences on the front and on how the game goes. But making certain roles just blanket immune to minor crimes WILL just make it the griefer role, where people donât just pick it to play spec, but also do as many minor crimes as they can because fuck it.
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Me too⌠remember the round where she go the CL to request that any marine bw checked out before allowed to deploy⌠and somehow tricked the CO into making SOP change for it?
Every marine had to line up and be checked at the security checkpoints⌠one at a time after briefing
It caused a MAASSSIVE shitstorm. Culminating in the RO ramming the checkpoint with the RO truck and a literal firefight starting between the mps and marines. With the RO getting cut down in thr crossfire when he got out of the truck.
Multiple casualties
I am not sure I have laughed harder.
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Look at your other posts?
I was under the impression that the whole discussionâs about if specs and sole medics and such should be basically arrest-immune?
Replace âspecâ with âimportant personâ if you want to
One of your âsolutionsâ still is that important people should be ML-immune. And being escorted to the DS by MPs instead of brigged is pretty much arrest immunity since you would deploy anyways.
FF immunity when? Your solution to this problem pretty much is to make specs/robust people ML immune.
Why does PVT Baldo McBald have to perma because he got capped by a runner? Why does PVT Baldo McBald have to perma because he got CASed? Why does PVT Baldo McBald have to perma because all of bravo ran off and left the FOB open either?
I donât think specs are that important to the round, as said before, and if there is only one medic you lost anyways.
See PVT Baldo McBald.
mods move this slop to acid goop
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mods pleaseeeeeeeeeeee bring back beck pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Beck? Personally i preferred lance, i will always remember the iconic moment where he said something about how the new black MP outfits reminded him of a 1940s regime
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A change in ML to delay brig sentence and escort âimportant marineâ to the DS to make sure they deploy requires 0 coding, only a wiki page update.
âWhen You Code Itâ doesnât work pal, when there are people who can shut down any proposed change, because âit doesnât fit CM spiritâ. Been there, done that. I only once listened to âWYCIâ I started to change the code only to be sidestepped by official dev anyway. Never again.
SO who OB the front is either a tragic mistake (skill issue), or a grief. Great example.
Split drop by CO, donât get me started, Iâm already on a war path with split drops which are 100% pure grief on marine side comparable to Queen making Hive in Big Red Garage back when you could weed that area before marines had first drop.
Rifleman who slugs a spec into getting hugged is a tragic mistake (skill issue), or grief. Great example, totally comparable.
None of those are policy punishments assigned to predicted misbehaviour, which arenât made quick, rash, in a heat of a moment, or under any duress that also indirectly punish entire side of a game, that being marines.
Again I want to point out that such issue was recognised and prevented on xeno side.
Spec/lone medic/lone engineer getting brigged for doing some random shit is not a tragic mistake (skill issue), nor it is a grief. It is a punishment felt by entire marine force for one marine breaking arbitrary ML.
Even if those examples were comparable to âimportant marinesâ being brigged, then I hope we agree anyway, that things like that should be minimalised.
That would be impossible if option to escort them to DS and making sure they drop would be introduced.
Look for solutions, not for every single possible problem with the basic layout of a solition to a very minor problem. (I doubt specs are arrested more than once a 24 hours period, but it is funny reading to see you guys seething over that)
Yes, you should do that, look at my other posts.
No, you are tired again. The whole discussion is about how to solve a super minor problem of marine force being punished, because vital role has been denied deployment. It started with me saying that I donât care about MP playstyles and only care about âimportant marinesâ being brigged, because that impacts me and other marines.
And how it is bad for anyone but the MP bootlicker?
WYCI
Skill issue, mistake, mistake/grief, bored players. Skill issue is a skill issue, mistake is a mistake, lets hope it is not grief, we probably should make FoB duty not mind-numbingly boring. It was recognised that nest guard duty on xeno is boring and that many xeno players quickly stop doing that, leading to captured hosts suiciding, releasing themselfs, killing drones etc.
Yet FoB duty relegated to guarding flank that nothing happens, untill one runner scouts it to find one alt-tabbed marine, so that entire hive comes trough and breaks, is completly left unadressed.
It is something that you think. Yet many marines donât think about it like you. That is why there usually is a riot when MP arrest a spec, especially big riot if it is a SADAR spec.
But yeah, I know, for you 3 baldos with pulse rifles are better than SADAR spec, those are worth the salt in your tears and steam from the seething clams we are getting from your oven, Seymour.
See MP Rex Texas.
Spec with immunity is just CO 
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This has to change! Why CO is above ML? He should known better. 20 minutes brig charge will surerly make him reconsider next time.
Or maybe it is whitelist? You want to tell me that whitelist makes you better than any other player, hmmmm? CO whitelist is just a license to grief, any CO can just order split drop. Why they arenât getting muh 20 minute brig sentence? They broke the law, it is their fault, not MP, noooo!
I donât quite understand how this
(you denying that this discussion is about specs getting arrest immunity)
and this
(you arguing that specs getting arrest immunity isnât bad)
fit together.
And since you apparently donât want to look at your posts, here are some more quotes:
Can you either own up to not remembering these posts and distance yourself from them or stop arguing that you donât want to give specs arrest immunity at all?
I was litterary refrencing you saying âbrigged specs getting their token and gear removed and given to random PFC/late joinerâ, which would be a WYCI. And that is probably the only thing i agree on there being.
First off, are you planning on essentially handcuffing the spec to the DS with an MP watching their every move until liftoff, or do you just plan on escorting them to the DS, and giving them either major punishments through marine law if they leave?
I am objecting to your planned âsolutionsâ to spec essentially being ML immune to a degree, just because they are âtoo importantâ. Same with any lone medics or engies (even though the OP is probably gonna fail massivly if theres only 4 medics and engies at highpop( and before you say anything, lowpop is very much disregarded, and is never really balanced, nor cared about, so neither shall I)).
Another difference between my examples, and your important person, is that my examples are all justifyable mistakes. But commiting any minor, or major, crime is entirely preventable, to the point where there are marines who havenât been brigged outside of events.
You have to go outside your way to commit a crime on CM. Interference, Contraband, Insubordination, Damage to Government Property, Disrespecting a superior Officer, Theft, Intoxication, Trespassing, and Failure to Follow Procedure. You HAVE to go out of your way to commit these (The only one that COULD be a mistake would be DtGP, where someone shoves you into shooting a window or something, but that wouldnât be YOU commiting a crime, as it would be the shover).