Right. But the thing is that if you’re placing weeds and playing smart, actually chasing you down should be very difficult and time consuming. Maybe I’m overestimating the difference in speed. But how is a survivor meant to catch up to a drone whose running on weeds with frenzy going? I simply don’t see how you die to survivors like this without screwing up pretty hard.
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why don’t you play some rounds as xeno and try drone rushing to see how it works?
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Problem is that current state of survs essentially forces them into “metahold and molly-spam” or “rush and kill as many as possible”.
Even then - you can get sentinel-uav’d without any possible counter to that, especially on maps like LV with limited amounts of armor.
If evo restrictions are reverted - survs should get their skills/resistances back.
In fact - just don’t try drone rushing, buh. But, ACTUALLY - my own recent experience in like, 3-4 rounds over the week has showed that survs can’t do anything against an actual drone rush (6-7 drones on 2 survs) before establishing the hold.
Hoping for a lucky tackle proc is just stupid game design, anyways.
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My entire argument is that rushing them as a drone is not smart idea. Why would I solo rush a shotgun wielding survivor off of weeds? Call for help over hive mind, weed any obvious escapes and play it safe until help arrives, then you can play support.
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You really don’t have any idea what is being discussed here. You need to contest survs roundstart to prevent survs from getting resources and OP gear. And the only caste that is available roundstart is drone. And sunset PR makes it a lot harder to fight survs before they dug in behind 5 lines of cades. Hope it’s clear now.
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Why not make me understand with some better arguments then?
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Sunset is an extremely immersive addition, and I would hate to see it lost due to survivor issues.
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Again, it dosn’t need to go. Just a litteral number change like changing the damage of a gun. Because as it stands, the only argument AGAINST a sunset PR that only lasts 1-2 minutes is immersivness of seeing night only last like, 40 minutes on a quick marine victory.
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Because your argument is predicated on your lack of experience in the xeno side of the early round
The majority of the hive will either be afking larva to wait to evo to actual fun castes. Weed any obvious escapes is funny when you don’t actually have a significant pace advantage over unarmoured survs (because the drones in the Alien franchise are famously slower than human beings). You’re not going to be able to rapidly flank around like a runner and weed out all their possible exits or something.
The surv meta is so developed now that on the majority of the maps they’ll have linked up with each other whilst you wait for all these backup drones (who don’t even exist because no one else evolved) to arrive.
Support for what?? drones are the only castes available until 00:09 so you’re suggesting basically you follow survs, don’t engage them at all, wait for 3 minutes for defenders to evolve and then get over to you. At that point it’ll just be the usual pre round surv siege slop your suggestion is basically don’t play the game until 00:09 which most xenos choose to do anyway because fighting survs as a drone is so rarely rewarding.
Please try this on anyone with incendiary slugs
Anyway we already know from the countless discussions on the topic that the current surv meta isn’t enjoyable for xenos, maps like CC and NV have meta holds which border on unbreakable (well on CC it’ll break but marines land at 21 every time to revive them). Adding what amounts to free nvgs to survs whilst xenos may only have a few active players pushing survs just disincentivises evolving to drone entirely.
Once again I do invite you to try playing drone in the early round and explain why survs getting a buff is beneficial to the 20 minutes of tedium xenos already go through.
As others have said if the sun simply sets in the first minute it’s a non issue
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- I know what I would feel like if I didn’t have breakfast this morning.
- The arguments against the sunset are kind of hyperbolic in that they seem to paint the worst possible situation for the drones, while also seeming to imply that xenos having to work together or behave intelligently is asking too much.
- Sure slugs are dangerous, but once again, in combat you have nothing to spend your plasma on except pheremones and weeds. In other words, chasing you should be a gamble for the survivors. Further more, 99% of the time the shotguns they use can’t even mount bayonets, meaning they cannot clear weeds without 1 handing it and killing their long range accuracy for chasing.
You can’t tell me that my lack of experience means nothing I say matters and at the same time give me unrealistic standards/situations.
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Kitten pr:
"balance implications:
humans:
pros:
-survs have ~3 minutes of good visibility from round start, meaning easier time seeing items and less chance of getting snuck up on
-if there is like still a lurker or something delaying but the round end thing has been called, the lack of darkness means itll get killed easier
xenos:
pros:
-survs will probably be a lil overconfident and likely to travel alone
-survs will probably be a bit more scared of caves
-xenos technically have better visibility in the daytime too for whatever that counts lol
the drone horde is coming the drone horde is coming the drone horde is coming."
My point in this:
-I dont mind the pr itself if it was called a surv/marine ending buff.
-Calling it immersion and soul when its clearly balance change in pros for surv only, i think most of us are tired of.
When kitten straight up lie in xeno pros when every point is cons in balance is just… yeah…
-survs is going to be balanced around surving and not dieing. Thats the goal of the pr, stop lieing.
To coders: Say what it is. Be honest about the changes and be done with it.
Fun fact rules: Queen is not allowed to force evo people because forced caste is not fun to play.
Coders: Lets break that server rule for 1/3 or the players, because what we code is not rules. Force evo drone or wait in hive you scrub. Shocking there is most of the time more afk larvas than total survs because force evo is boring.
Want survs happy? Survs do not want to be attacked until themself are ready for it. Make a pr that survs spawn in at :25-:28 right before marines land. They survive, do a minute rp and skip the “horrible” drones horde. They can choose to attack xenos after or go shipside rp or whatever they desire.
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Yes I agree, you’ve (presumably) had the practical experience of being hungry in your life which leads you to this conclusion. Get the practical opinion of playing xeno early round and then you can talk authoritatively on why these changes don’t matter for xenos.
The worst possible situation is far more common than you’re thinking, having more than 5 drones evolve at round start (and that’s on high pop) is not typical. As for the latter point I cannot emphasis enough that many players will literally not be playing the game and just be alt tabbed because they do not want to play drone there have been many attempts to fix this over the years (drone is effectively “free” to evolve to and still make T2 as a combat caste) but people just don’t want to be drones.
Not slugs, incediary slugs- in a 1 on 1 situation even with weeds as a factor that drone is dead the moment they get set on fire (bearing in mind you’ve got no way of knowing said surv has incend slugs). surv can immediatly switch to another gun to spray the drone down and has constant vision on them because the fire emits light.
No i’m saying that the standards/situations that you’ve outlined are unrealistic based on my direct experience. Once again if you feel that is an incorrect surmising of how drones work against survs on round start just play it and prove it
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Can we just fucking change it to a sunrise-only and solve this awful thread that keeps going in circles? These arguments are completely worthless and achieve nothing, given the perfect solution has already been given. I feel like people are just arguing for the sake of arguing now, rather than discussing the PR itself.
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No.
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guys you dont understand i need to be able to see everything for an extra 3 minutes in my pvp game its soul!!!
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I agree with you. Make the numbers work.
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The Duke once again spitting fire.
I don’t think saying “Talk plainly about it ONLY like balance” is a solid argument when it ISN’T a shadow survcord buff if we rework it just slightly— some awfully bad faith assumptions at work there.
Let’s make it work for both by shortening the times.
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