SallyRRed - Staff Report: Enforcement Action Taken - Stalkerino

SallyRRed - Staff Report: Enforcement Action Taken - Stalkerino

What’s your BYOND key:

Sally R. Red

Round ID:

21967

Your character name:

Fru ‘Zombie’ Pontasi

Their BYOND key:

Stalkerino

What are you reporting?:

Enforcement Action Taken

Description of the incident:

During a mass-cas on the frontline during low-pop where I was the only hospital corpsman for groundside, no Synth either, I was randomly pmed and then warned by admin Stalkerino under the accusation that I was acting as a riflemen, prioritizing myself over others, and griefing by means of triage card.

Multiple marines can attest to the fact that I was surrounded at one point by eight dead with more trickling in as I revived one after the other with exception being a Frydenlund Svafnirsdottir. Frydenlund Svanirsdottir had over 600 burns while I lacked the supplies and time to treat him. As I stated with Stalkerino, I can get another marine up and stable or even ready to fight in a few seconds, or I can spend a minute+ treating a singular person who was already yellow lining by the time they got to me. I did not once abandon my post in reviving and rescuing marines even when I was in imminent danger, even suppressing advancing Xenos as I was in the process of providing care while the other marines were covering a flank.

Concerning my aggressive tactics, I take actions where there is a clear advantage, where I can save lives, or where giving marines the morale and courage to push is warranted. Often times I avoid treating myself if I am not currently in a life-threatening state, even putting myself at risk in remaining by a marine’s side if they require aid. During this round, I legitimately took no aggressive actions beyond suppressing a choke to buy time for the wounded and fighting to recover a tackled Pyro.

Triage cards! Repeating the prior, I had eight dead, excluding Fry, with fewer live marines than that. Yes, Fry was revivable, but from my perspective as an experienced HM, they were not savable. Being the literal only medic, I made it clear with the black holotag that resources, via CPR, could be better dedicated to the arriving yellow lining dead that were actually savable. Stalkerino, for whatever reason, even made the exaggeration through OOC addressment that I intentionally prevented resuscitation, which is factually incorrect. Again, there was no other person on the ground that could revive them but me, so my doing that did in no way stop care, and by the time I applied the card, they were red-lining. It is worth noting that we lost that position, that we could not hold it, two minutes into the mass cas, we were forced to retreat. Out of over a dozen that had died and been revived there, only three permaed; one being an SSD, another a No Soul, the last being Fry.

No one but those three were left behind, and I even dragged the last savable dead out of that hell choke to FOB without a roller, and that isn’t where my work stopped either.

Additionally, receiving shrewd comments from this admin showed an entire lack of understanding of the situation let alone my equipment and abilities, making consistent critiques of, for example, a lack of burn kits in my belt while I had a whole container dedicated to it in my backpack which had run out from me working so much as the only Corpsman for 40~ marines. The End Round Facts adds to their misunderstanding of the situation in so strongly accusing me of prioritizing frontline combat when I revived 26 marines and made saves on others when they were in crit.

I find a warning concerning that triage card illogical considering I was the only person capable of using a defibrillator groundside on top of all prior; a simple pm reminder would have sufficed. Adding on to that, threatening a job ban on a corpsman main while they perform their duties more than satisfactory is absurd. The warning should be removed from my record to reflect fairness in both administration and so that the mistake of restricting me from my desired role is not made.

Evidence:

FUN FACTS
Ronald Visco took 1478.18 damage before dying to Lurker. Good work!
Isaiah Jerome earned 7 kills before dying to R2175/B HIDP grenade. Good work!
Fru ‘Zombie’ Pontasi revived 26 people before dying to Harmful substance. Good work!
Praetorian (CEI-990) took 15359.9 damage before dying to M39 submachinegun. Good work!
Praetorian (CEI-990) earned 17 kills before dying to M39 submachinegun. Good work!

Multiple marines can firmly state that my conduct in triage and performance of care during that mass cas was satisfactory if not exceptional. Notable marines were Lorenzo ‘Blistery’ Hill, Brad Ward, Axel Metzer, Lysa Pierce, and Samson Jack.

My official loadout is to be posted on the wiki sometime in the future displaying my level of attention to efficient effective care. Notably, I carry 70 trauma kits, 70 burn kits, 960u of Revival Mix (offering 64 uses total), 3 stasis bags, 3 roller beds, 2 D+ pens, 1 Bi and Kl pen each, 2 Oxy pens, 2 health analyzers, 35 splints, synth and surgical, and 1 medevac stretcher.

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Hi, I’m the staff member that applied the warning.

I scanned Frydenlund’s health, the damage showed 454 burn. I recreated this scenario in thunderdome and it took no more than a minute to get them up.

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(NO OTHER PATIENTS AT THIS TIME ASIDE FROM THE PERSON AT THE EDGE OF THE SCREEN PERMAING WITHIN A MINUTE AFTER THIS SCREENSHOT)
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No.

(In this timeframe, they were getting CPR by the person standing on the cade.)

I saw quite the opposite of this in this round, you were frontlining where medical attention was needed for no apparent reason but that happens and I can’t judge.

My issue with you is the fact that Frydenlund Svafnirsdottir, a saveable marine was given the black holo-tag. Not to mention that you did this to another person too, Chip ‘Lucky’ Kellog.

A Marine walks up to you after noticing the black holotag, presumably confused: “Can Frydenlund be saved?”

You reply with “No.”

I do not believe your performance is satisfactory, let alone “more than satisfactory”.

I view your actions as clear sabotage or unintentionally malicious at best.

Again, I would not have noted you if not for the two marines you black carded for no apparent reason.

I made sure to consult other staff members and even after the ticket I threw the question out there.

I still stand by my decision to warn you.

Hi, I’m Samson Jack. I felt the need to clear things up since I was mentioned- Just FYI, I wasn’t actually present- I joined and observed post-hijack, and heard that “the medic who got the revive fun fact got warned for not reviving enough” from multiple people, and hence was intrigued by the seemingly illogical warning at the time (This was before stalkerino cleared things up by announcing the actual note itself).

I was not physically present to witness any of the relevant events, and I only showed interest because I wanted to hear more context surrounding the warning that had everyone in OOC and LRC riled up after the round ended.

It’s my opinion that a solo medic who revives 26 people is a competent individual, and I do not believe anything that took place was truly malicious- Every good medic has conducted triage and “decided who lives and who dies” to maximise the number of people revived with limited resources and medical personnel. People permaing from credible triage situations is well, normal. I think that misjudgement of when triage should be used is a gray area in terms of “is this guy griefing people?”, because while yes, it is “intentionally” allowing some people to perma, I don’t really believe it to be all that much worse than a green medic failing to revive a one-tap defib patient. However, I was not there to witness the incident, and thus I cannot give my two cents on whether triage was appropriate or not for this situation.

I will note that other people’s memories of the incident seem to differ. For example, Lagomorphica claimed only they and another patient were really present, “besides a slow trickle of greenline one-tap defib patients”, and that they “had a lot of burns, but was being CPRd”, which appears to differ from Sally’s claim that there were 8 patients at the same time.
All the quotes stated above are from discord LRC for #21967, but obviously I’m not Lagomorphica or anyone involved, so I hope the witnesses present can shed more context and their perspectives on the incident.

I apologise if I wasn’t able to provide enough substance, so please feel free to remove my post if you feel it’s peanut posting.

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S’all good! I think I mistook Alpha SG for you since I saw you in dchat and they were at the choke with me at some point.

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All right, I was likely not a participant in the round in question, so forgive me if my input is unwelcome. However, as someone with some decent amount of time in medical myself, and from what I can gather from what Stalkerino and Fru have said, I’m quite certain that the patients Fru tagged as unrevivable, could have feasibly been saved in Fru’s situation without compromising on the care of other patients, even considering the mass influx of patients. Several of these patients, from what I can tell, were at least alive and standing, and could easily have been conscipted to give CPR to near-permas , and 400 damage isn’t too hard to heal in a minute.
That being said, a note for this situation is a little much. Even considering the fact the patients could’ve been saved, I cannot tell you how many medics simply just don’t realize a patient can be saved, and believe their efforts are better spent helping others. It’s clear to me that Fru was simply unaware that he had the ability to save them, and had a simple talk gone down between stalkerino and Fru, this misunderstanding could have easily been resolved with no need for administrative action.

Edit: Corrected a grammatical error ('s instead of a simple plural patients) as well as changing “the two” to “them”, in reference to Fry.

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Hello Sally_R-Red and all,

This was a report that took quite a bit of investigating to resolve. I spoke to numerous staff members and we hosted a discussion about it, alongside general principles that informed our decision-making.

After review it appears as though you were actively performing medical work as expected in “Rule 8: Use your Slot,” and your decision to triage marines was not guided by, the “intent… to cause grief or annoyance to other players or the server without a valid roleplay reason” as required of “Rule 4: No griefing.”

We are currently discussing the conditions under which black triage cards should be permitted to be applied, however an absence of any ruling makes your warning unprecedented. As a strong proponent of “nullum crimen sine lege,” I will be approving this report. I believe you were acting in good faith of your role.

I similarly believe that Stalkerino was acting in good faith when they decided to rule the way they did, and their decision was by no means unpopular amongst other staff members. No actions will be taken against Stalkerino, but your warning will be removed.

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Added report:approved and removed report:needverdict