Why you lone? Do not be alone
That is a very valid point.
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Giving each pred spawn a objective - die in glorious battle, acquire X# of xeno eggs, obtain X# of (USMC Xweapon/helmets) from the hunting grounds honorably ext. and their own green/red text at the end of a round.
Giving their existence a direction and hopefully influencing more purposeful interactions. Currently it feels like thereâre two options; acting like they arenât there or all out murder bone. Allowing them to potentially team with USMC for a short time while completing an objective other than killing Abominations would be great as well.
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This is a good idea.
As for how predators are:
Depends on the predator. The role is like Observer+++.
- Interfere too much and people get pissed.
- Interfere not at all and you are just a spooky IC observer.
- Reveal yourself (without any fanfare) and hope for arranged duels and you are 1. Kind of being borderline LRP and 2. asking for something to go wrong, which requires other preds to get involved in a more obtusely violent way.
Honor Code literally requires equipment retrieval attempts (within reason + certain small print), at least last I checked.
As for difficulty in killing a predator? Doable but difficult as hell is how it should be. This is where the objectives bit should come in. They should be encouraged to fulfill tough, but reasonable objectives.
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As for PvH events as someone mentioned? Um. Sounds cool but I think people would likely dislike it and only tolerate it as a once every few months thing.
So be careful for what you ask. I do remember PvH events being run rarely in the distant past. They were very rare, pretty straightforward PvP, and honestly more controversial than even Zombies.
Imagine 6-12 predators. Now with hellhounds and no restrictions on their most hard hitting equipment, engagement code, and cloaking. On the other hand you have the marines with⌠everything the marines have.
It was a slaughter. For the marines lol. At best youâd see 3/4 the preds die. Interesting as hell to watch. Painful at times to play out (such as when you are a SADAR/Spec and thus targeted more than others) due to copious amounts of plasma casters/rifles/pistols etc
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The only real way to handle preds if they have to be ingame is to weaken them dramatically so theyâre closer to canon and then just let anyone randomly spawn as one sometimes, survivor style. Just drop the stupid roleplay requirement (that is barely observed anyways) and let them be an occasional antagonist. IMO a single pred should be beatable by a sufficiently clever solo alien or marine and almost always lose if it tries to take on a large group.
Predators are like if xenos had to *hiss and submissively roleplay before being allowed to kill a marine.
A lot of their problems just stem from their cringe implementation in the game right now.
The problem with taking away the cringe rp stuff is that if you let preds murderbone with no restraint the same as a xeno player, they are massively, severely, ridiculously unbalanced and predator rounds would just be marines and xenos struggling to fight 4 or 5 preds without getting wiped out.
I really donât think most of the whitelisted predator players actually understand how overpowered predators are and frankly, I donât think most ever will.
So for now Iâm happy that I can just ignore predators and have no problems in the CM experience.
Maybe one day, weâll get nerfed predators that actually require skill to play, and all the RP restrictions can get thrown out and weâll treat seeing and fighting a predator the same way as a lurker; tough shit if you didnât want to fight, but you had a fair chance to win at least.
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Tbh, the only issue is that new players do not know how to fight against preds.
Yeah their fast, strong and tanky, but if you kill them you get their tech, For example âClan swordâ, thing is strong. Their armour the thing that keeps them big and chunky.
Only issue is that preds can Behead you and kick you out the round but so do the preds when they die, since they get SDâed by the fellow preds.
Bigger the Risk, Better the Reward.
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I can fix it. We remove the preds. Iâve felt for a long time that like 75% of white list roles were just OP fluff roles that are basically only fun for the person playing them and dont add to the story or game play for others.
On that note If CO is white list Im confused sometimes why queen doesnt have higher requirements to play. If you play xeno, a bad queen can be worse than no queen.
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Removing Preds is not going to happen. That is an insane argument.
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The way I see it, the problem with preds is that they have to be an antag faction that also has to worry that they donât upset the round flow.
I think that to fix that we should integrate them into the round flow. Hereâs the rough plan:
- At some point after the roundstart preds get a designated hunting grounds. Somewhere outside of the round critical path. Can be automated or, before that is coded, be at the decision of the present Elders.
- When the hunting grounds are designated, the grace period of 30(whatever) minutes starts. Preds have to evict anyone coming to the hunting grounds. Preds can kill marines going there but not perma them under the honor code. They should look to avoid killing xenos too. The idea here is to send the message to command and xenos that, âwe donât want you hereâ. If some faction does not enter the hunting grounds, preds are required to notify that faction on the groundâs location at the end of the period by sending them a honorable invitation to be hunted.
- After the grace period anyone entering the hunting grounds is a valid hunting target and can be gutted. This gives preds the role of culling the undisciplined - theyâre now gonna off the people who donât listen to communications and wander around alone.
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This plan is how to make pred boring, predators are antag roles not your normal stranger on the street. They are here to kill someone and eat them.
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Add in specialised mid round marines based off of the predator 2 cryo guys, who only have weapons that affect the predator with a mission to capture it.
Theyâll die, but itâd be a fun role to try.
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I didnât parse the full subject but I appreciate Yautja I honestly have never been hunted by a predator randomly without notice ever. Like ever. Fighting predator is maybe the highlight of combat in a twenty year old rp game, sure they needed that armor rebalance to maybe be less God of War Spartan Difficulty but killing a predator is a huge honor or even losing to one fair an square. I plan on applying for white list just to flavor text my rp on the server every so often so I hope pred isnt removed. Really cool aspect of the game. My favorite day was Preds versus xenos right before hijack which was an insane round.
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Correct take. I think I finally figure out how to do this.
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Suggesting to remove Predators is pure Maldness.
Predators are canonically capable of decimating anything remotely human and really only struggle with Xenos out of a mistake or number swarm.
If you want to stop the hate, you canât. If you want to curb the hate, you make it abundantly clear that there are lines you do and do not cross.
The primary issue, in my opinion, is that Predator players are typically LRP.
You have Predator players that will walk up, decloak, punch a marine until they fight back and then kill and skin. You have Predator players that get aboard the ship and make zero effort to stealth or otherwise substantially look for gear, instead choosing to slaughter everyone and everything that stands in their way. You have a council that rarely, very rarely, finds issue or complaint with how specific Predator players handle situations.
This is because the Predator role is largely self governing. Yes, it has a council, but what of it? Many times, you see verbal warnings given to complete round upsets.
Being more proactive and having a clear cut definition and outlining of what is expected of the role and what is not could cut down problems. The WL Code of Honor, as it stands, is an extreme series of middling suggestions. Who cares? Literally, just pretend to follow these inconsequential rules and you can effectively do as you please.
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Whitelists definitely are needed for roles with high roleplay, admin trust, and competence requirements.
Beyond that, inherently: a whitelist is a acknowledgement of conditional trust. The most obvious and blatant example is the ability to BE imo.
Queens?
- There is virtually no roleplay requirement beyond the same basic stuff the XO has to follow.
- Xenos have always been interesting in that they lack the same large consistent player base and the role itself has no âtrainerâ role like CO does in the form of XO.
- Xenos evolve. What happens if there is no whitelisted xeno drone to jump into the Queen slot?
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Whitelists definitely are needed for roles with high roleplay, admin trust, and competence requirements.
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This makes me laugh so much, either MisterMoon or Moonshanks, one of the two griefed my over and over broke multiple HC by using marine claymores while cloaked on a drone who didnt attack, then pushing a marine free from my grasp to deny a cap, Ahelp it told to take it to the WL council, ask about it on Discord for direction Moonshanks has a mental breakdown and then claims im harassing him even though he @ me? I love preds, just hate the people in control and alot of the players who are happy for things to stay shitty, I rarely wish for admins to have more power, but they should be able to predban players without contacting the people they are friends with.