ZVineatic - Player Report: Most of the MP Department (Maria A.W. Licorne and Nasoki 'Beans' Chen especially), Rule 11 : Mandatory Obedience

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ZVineatic - Player Report: Most of the MP Department (Maria A.W. Licorne and Nasoki ‘Beans’ Chen especially), Rule 11 : Mandatory Obedience

What’s your BYOND key?

ZVineatic

Round ID:

29125

Your character name:

Alaz Demirci

Accused character name:

Most of the MP Department (Maria A.W. Licorne and Nasoki ‘Beans’ Chen especially)

What rule(s) were broken?:

Rule 11 : Mandatory Obedience

Description of the incident:

During my routine check-up on the ship I found an Alpha Combat Technician laying dead on the floor without her ID right infront of the requisitons line. So I did what most people do, check its pulse to see if it is actually dead, CPR once, report it and leave the area. After that the CMP proceeded to order my arrest since the corpse was ‘perma’. First of all I did not specify it being perma or anything. I just said ‘I uhhh.. I found a corpse’. Nothing about it being perma. And what difference does it make if its perma or not? I found a corpse, I am reporting it so you can find out how it happened. You are not the medical personnel responsible with reviving the person, why do you care if its perma or not?

The real fest begins after my false arrest. When I was brigged and thrown into a cell under the charges of false testimony. Marine Law elaborates false testimony as “To intentionally and willingly lie to an MP, or deputized officer, during a criminal investigation with the intent to disrupt said investigation.”. I am underlining the ‘during a criminal investigation’ part. We were not in a criminal investigation. Fast forward to my celling process, I wasn’t given any prison uniform or any radio until I asked for it. And even after when I asked for my appeal right to the provost, my request was denied with the words : “This charge cannot be appealed.”, “Your charge is under ten minutes.”, “You are not entitled to an appeal.”

When I entered the courtyard I found it real messed up and damaged, I was told they used the courtyard for a drill/training session. When I started hanging around I got shocked by one of the doors as well and was not provided medical assistance..

After my timer ran out and I was released, even though I did tell them it was licensed the CMP did confiscate my Type 73 pistol. The Standart Operating Procedure states ‘Any personnel issued with a weapon upon the start of an operation may retain it’. Even if it was contraband, you can’t just confiscate it and then let me go. You either confiscate it and brig me or you do neither, you can’t just do one of them.

So it is false arrest, failure to provide prison uniform, failure to provide radio, failure to provide medical assistance when I got injured/failure to providing a safe courtyard space, unlawful confiscation.

Evidence:

https://gyazo.com/c05032f9fb39644d9d941c16ade44e85
https://gyazo.com/fd0e9c903a8cff3a48b658fb600a719d
https://gyazo.com/781d845de44bc4a82bd54aaee29f88c4
https://gyazo.com/954f0a8df714b7e40019739aa3277b92
https://gyazo.com/dbd3bffde23b2159d0d98683200dfdd3
(and logs)

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Hi CMP Chen here. I asked if the report of a body, actually needed our attention or not due to us being in a drill that took 30 minutes to organize. I asked multiple times and you insulted me for asking if the body was perma or not. (I feel you only insulted me for playing MP as you insulted the rest of my MP department, because haha funny sec sucks). The CL to my understanding told me there was no body, as I had asked him to check for me while my MPs were securing from the drill.

To the charges, yes there was some confusion on my part as I hadn’t played MP in a while, and Hoogalism is now a NJP. Yet for the “lying during an investigation”. You specifically requested the MPs and not medical. The second you reported a dead body to a MP onboard, you made it a criminal investigation, as we treated it as a murder by unknown cause. I saw no issue with charging you as you purposely were lying to waste our time. My MPs recommended this charge and I saw it fit to procced. As for the contraband, the waking up with a weapon rule only applies to USCM given service weapons (Such as the MST and his sidearm he wakes up with, not a holdout pistol from the spawn loadout menu).

It should be added I ordered your arrest (after you brushed off the warning and didn’t care you wasted all our time), I did not deny an appeal, or handle your processing personally. The only time I interacted with you was too release you and to confiscate your contraband.

The brig was secured at the time, it being “destroyed” is a grave exaggeration as me nor the MW saw an issue letting you in the brig yard. I saw no issue to let you have yard time rather than keeping you locked in a cell. I was not aware the doors were still shocked but I trust Hunter (The CE at the time) fixed them as he was in the brig carrying out repairs. I’m positive he repaired the door after. I also was not involved much with the brig nor even knew about you getting shocked until this report, or the appeal stuff.

You called the entire MP for a false call, even after asking if it was important enough to cancel the drill. Not to mention you were just being a general asshole cause I was playing MP. Thank you for providing screenshots showing why I should’ve charged you with DASO.

I will avoid responding unless staff request me too as this player was being a dick and seems to be report baiting.

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I tend to hate the MP in character when I get arrested just because the corpse I reported was not ‘perma’.

And you wording me reporting the corpse like ‘wasting all our time’ or ‘calling the entire MP for a false call’ is ridicilous as well, can’t you direct just one man to check for it? People reading this would assume I kept yelling into the general radio channel, calling every MP available to the area where the corpse lays. Which is not the case.

Secondly, your first confrontation with me was not “Where did you see the body?” or “There is no body around, are you sure someone died?” but rather was “Why are you wasting our time?”. So yeah, I will disrespect you if you arrest me just because a corpse wasn’t perma or you couldn’t find it. I don’t even believe if you either questioned the requisitions personnel or made a ticket to ARES regarding a security footage check before coming to the assumption I made a false report.

Did you even consider the corpse was moved by someone else? Maybe the medical personnel took it or someone else? But no you directly come to me for ‘wasting your time’

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I will avoid commenting until the ruling or staff needs me too. Have a good day

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Hi, one of the MPs present during your arrest and who was overhearing most of your comms chatter (Along with that you are directing your player report at the Department). I am mainly gonna focus on the arrest and dead body as I was involved at that point and touch on the processing of the prisoner (based off of the evidence put forward), and the contraband pistol that was found.

Reporting a dead body without an ID is a rather serious matter, as I believe there were reports of CLF groundside (someone reported them as “all dead” dead but one might slip up, you never know). A dead body without an ID normally means they got looted by a hostile to get to an area, in the case of the Comtech it would lead to engineering.

For whatever reason they were found in front of req, makes no difference to the situation. The issue stems from the potential for a murderer to be loose on the ship , ora CLF agent on the ship (which in some instances have lead to more CLF being sent to the ship). These two instances could end up raising the alert to red, people arm up and then have to panic due to the risk of a combatant attacking them or, something far worse, the Almayer gets boarded by hostiles. To keep it blunt, you announced a dead body in a place were it should not be located and give no further context, leading most to assume it was murder. You even inspect the body (your first image for proof) and can see the text “their eyes have gone blank, there are no signs of life.” which is an indication a person is unrevivable. Your main charge boils down to you alluding to a murder, when it was just a dead marine there. In reality you should have gotten charges of DASO as well while you were in medbay as you just kept insulting the CMP as well (also highlighted by Chen).

Now onto the whole situation at brig(Processing & Contraband), as far as I can tell a new player (Stanis Doughope) was handling your prisoner uniform, who was very much new to MP and of course was not fully aware of the process (Marcus Johnson talking to him to “finish the prisoners uniform” gives an indication he was doing it), my hunch is no one was checking if he did it right hence why no radio. Then there’s contraband weapon, which I pointed out and placed back in itself could be one of a dozen or so that could have come from Area of Operations itself, which falls under the charge of minor contraband. Which again, you got off lightly since it was just confiscated and you got to walk away, as you were overall hostile to everyone in the department.

I will not comment on the appeal side as I was not present for this, though I will say there was no chatter on comms about your situation for an appeal or the MP denying it.

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Military Warden here,
i was external to all of this investigation, sentencing, appeal request(i do not recall you asking one, but i can be wrong, a lot happened during the round) due to me repairing the brig and returning gear to armory after our investigation.

  1. I noticed you were not handed a prisoner uniform, shoes and radio, and immediately rectified the issue, by making sure the SSGT MP gave you a prisoner uniform, If you recall i also told the Cpl MP with her to stop talking and instead help the other MP in remembering what to do. You were issued your uniform after 20 seconds of your sentence starting timer.

  2. I was repairing the brig, and unshocking doors, i was focusing on the Warden Office and vicinity, while the CE was handling the other side. You asked for medical attention to me around 10 seconds before the end of your timer, i did not even had the time to finish my sentence that your timer expired and i told you to go to medical since you were no longer a prisoner. Where you in a critical state i would have tendend to your wounds personally but that was not the case.

  3. Regarding your weapon. SOP says that Enlisted Marines can keep a weapon issued at the start of the operation. I agree with the CMP in saying that a UPP weapon (type73) is not an issued weapon and it does not count toward the SOP permitted ruling. I do not know the reasoning behind the CMP, but for me, your contraband being a minor crime and you just finished serving a sentence, i decided to ignore the brigging part of it and just put your gun into evidence, if my judgment on this was wrong, if a next time happens, i will apply a full charge and even add the DASO that comes in your screenshots.

I do not believe in my eyes that i broke Rule 11, in particular Mandatory Obedience. I am available for futher questions from the Staff.

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Since you reported all the MPs I’m just here to say I joined after this and all I did was kill some xenos and HG

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I did say ‘most of the mp’ and not ‘all of the mp’
Though I understand I did some poor wording. Sorry again, english is not my native language.

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I do agree with Marcus next time a situation like this happens, I will apply the normal charges of DASO and Contraband which is 25 mins instead of giving a five minute sentence. I would also like to add Kara Walker fragged 0 xenos as HG

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Licorne here.

Already had a chat with staff- apparently I was operating under ML under the old pardon system before we got the paperwork updated. That was my mistake.

As far as not giving you the clothes- I hadn’t MP’d in a few months (obviously) and was going on the wrong server’s muscle memory and accidently stowed them in my inventory. I gave them once my mistake was noticed.

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Hello zvineatic, thank you for your patience, the log diving and investigation for this report took me longer than I expected.

I am going to be partially accepting your report.

For the newer MP player, Maria A.W. Licorne, I will not be sanctioning them. Whilst they did make a mistake in not granting the MT a chance to appeal, however this issue was handled by staff during the round. No further action is required.

For the Military Warden, Marcus Johnson, I will not be sanctioning them. Their only relevant act during this report was to confiscate the Type 71 pistol that belonged to the OP. This item is technically a non-standard issue firearm, thus it was within the law to confiscate it.

I would personally have had an issue if the MT was arrested for contraband, as I feel punishing people for owning a item they can buy in their personal loadout would be unfair, but in this case confiscation feels appropriate, and the confiscation itself had no effect on the MT being detained or held for longer than required.

For the Chief MP, Nasoki ‘Beans’ Chen, I will be sanctioning them. My rational for this is that I believe that their conduct towards the MT, specifically in ordering their detainment, initially under a incorrect charge, and then later under ‘false testimony’, was not only incorrectly applied, but apparently done out of some form of malice as interpreted by my log diving.

Whilst I acknowledge that the MT could have done more to render aid to an obviously deceased marine they found on the Almayer, however, I can not find anything they stated or did in-game to warrant being detained in the brig and charged for false testimony, or any other criminal infraction.

All the MT did was state on the radio that they found a dead corpse by the requisition line, exclaiming this on the radio channel. This statement does not in any way deserve being arrested and thrown in the brig.

Considering that Chen’s CMP ban was lifted less than 24 hours from this incident. I will institute a CMP and a Warden ban effective immediately. sandvich123 will be required to appeal their Warden ban before they may appeal their CMP ban, at which time their MP behavior can be better assessed at that time.

That is all.

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