I did not say that it causing less injuries was unacceptable or that this nerf was complety needed, but rather that wearing a helmet doesn’t suddenly set your fun to zero like you described.
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Being punished by going helmetless is fine, the only change we need is a decap toggle for helmet so you don’t have to gimp yourself so hard to have a chance at fun round ending RNG
@birb yeah you can click yourself but it’s way less intuitive for newbies than simply having a HP bar. Its also unfeasible mid fight if you need to know if you can still chase or next slash downs you.
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You do realize that those three images showcase actual, logical, reasons why a helmet is not being worn?
In universe its stated Smartgunners don’t typically helmets. The last two images are shown well after the situation has gone complete FUBAR and everyone is missing equipment.
It’s also not illogical for a green officer to enter the field without a helmet, especially in an area they believe is secure.
E: At the start of the film virtually everyone is wearing a helmet barring the smartgunners.
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I am arguing that actually yes, we are getting to the point where taking your helmet off is becoming actively unfun and no longer a choice you can make. It was fine before, now it’s getting overbearing and if nobody says anything it will effectively be removed from the game as an active choice you make.
And over what? Because you don’t want to see a marine without a helmet when you play?
Of course getting decapped, IBed, bonebroken, brain damaged and whatever is unfun, that’s why you wear helmets. You said that having no helmet causing more injuries is punishing people for having fun.
Please clarify how your fun instantly gets lowered when wearing a helmet and how you absolutely need to not wear one in order to have fun.
As someone who doesn’t always wear helmets, yeah it can fucking suck a lot. In a game where a lot of the fun can come from customizing and creating a unique character, instant headfracs and near unavoidable constant eye blurriness sucks a lot. Even if you aren’t actively fighting frontline it takes one or two bad swipes even when surrounded by teammates and you’ve got IB.
You all are forgetting the key point of the argument: this is literally a video game. Should the SG’s have instantly been removed from the movie because they decided to wear stuff that made them recognizable as opposed to a helmet like mandate?
You are already taking no HUD and no extra storage by going without a helmet. IMO it should keep its decapability but it should get some armor because key point: this is a video game in which looking cool and creating a unique character is fun.
Having to constantly walk to a corpsman because “oh I got two tapped and I have IB again” and them going “I’m not fixing you again, fuck off” because you decided to not wear a helmet isn’t fun!
Feeling like you’re actively being a drain on your team because a literal cosmetic choice isn’t fun!
You are getting literally 0 benefits from not wearing a helmet for how extremely heavily it’s punished
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This is also a game based on simulation and being authentic. Wearing a helmet is fairly authentic to the military experience, in a universe where so much stuff is integrated into your helmet it makes sense in universe how necessary it is to use a helmet.
Why not just go the route the RMCs go where you keep your beret/cap in your storage and put it on when out of combat?
Frankly if you want to have the snowflake appearance you have to pay the pain tax.
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I mean, if your unique character is only unique cause he wears some special drip, you should probaly find some crashcourse to roleplaying article.
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Going without a helmet is cool, it’s fun. If you don’t get it, you don’t get it. I’m not about to try and force you to play without a helmet (the inverse though…). For me, it’s a stylistic choice and it had its drawbacks, which people accepted and worked with.
Now the drawbacks are going overboard and it’s gradually removing the option to have that personalized flair. I can only understand that your position here is genuinely - nobody should ever play without a helmet?
That was why I suggested - why not simply cut to the chase here, and disallow taking your helmet off. You can only seem to work in absolutes apparently; Force wear it on people when they put their armor on. If that’s not what you think, then enlighten me, at what point do you think we are nerfing the lack of a helmet too much? What exactly is your cutoff point? Do you think a single bullet should decap someone without a helmet? Why, again, if that’s the case, have you been fine with people going without helmets up until now.
Because I’m telling you right now that we’re reaching a stage where the downsides are essentially forcing it and effectively removing the choice.
It’s so BIZARRE to me to see this much upset over the suggestion that we’re going a little too far on this, that MAYBE we had a happy medium already and didn’t need to go further.
Now listening to this it seems like a few of you wouldn’t be happy until we actually just remove the option entirely.
The decap chance imo was all the balance needed for going without a helmet, and is actually preferable to IB and brain damage.
Because swapping appearances is literally worse for character recognition than just wearing a unique cap??
Also “authentic” literally what kind of meme is this. We went off lore to add literal vore mechanics. Authentic is having vendors that have both infinite and finite materials based on if you put stuff back in. Authentic is holding a grenade in your hand and not losing your hand. Authentic is getting literally point blank OB’d but because you were laying down you don’t get turned to paste. Authentic is marines not being able to fireman’s carry which is common sense. Authentic is marines getting hit by GAU cannons and then being revivable by a doctor through literal surgery magic. Authentic is a marine who nearly had their arm ripped off taking magic chemicals and being fine.
Like I can’t tell if that’s literally a joke, you can’t genuinely believe this game is authentic? This is all stuff dictated by design philosophy for FUN…
When people take their armor off, they are providing a negative experience for their teammates by taking up corpsman time and effort with their extra damage, potentially feeding an easier cap, and forcing their teammates to spend time rescuing them in exchange for extra speed in order to get kills and save people. There is a positive and a negative
When you don’t wear a helmet, you get literally nothing while actively draining resources. With this design philosophy, we should be actively ahelping people who don’t wear a helmet for greifing their team with active throwing and draining resources
Being authentic means we look like a military force, I didn’t say the game had to be realistic, only that it should look authentic to the universe.
As I said before. If you don’t want to wear a helmet, that’s fine. But you go in accepting the massive number of negative consequences to doing so. Personally, I am perfectly fine with this and I believe the negatives are fine as is.
So explain why I shouldn’t be ahelping people who are actively harming their team by choosing to occupy an extreme amount of teammates resources with no benefit
Let’s look at SG’s getting their non-helmet option or IO’s getting their non-helmet option. Both of these are important (see SG’s) roles but the game goes “this is part of your basic gear :)”, if they get decapped for not wearing head armor while being a “high risk role” can I ahelp it?
A true helmetless marine doesn’t get mad that they get IB and decapicated instantly, they go helmetless BECAUSE they’ll get IB and decapitated instantly! Are you even a real protag if authentic instant-death by xeno makes you pussy out of going helmetless?
You either look like a fucking hero as you survive a 2-hour op without a scratch on your chrome dome, or you DIE like a fucking god, with all the PVTs pointing at your decapitated ass in horror as you click Join as Xenomorph. There are NO downsides to not wearing a helmet! WE CAN’T STOP WINNING!!!
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The amount of consequences are continually mounting up to the point that it’s removing this as a choice.
[- No penalties ------ | Happy medium| ----------------- |We are here| – Too many penalties -]
This really just comes across as actively wanting to prevent people going without helmets while masquerading behind “it’s a choice”; if the penalties become too severe, it’s no longer a choice. I’m trying to point out, we are approaching the point where we punish players too much for not wearing a helmet. What we used to have is fine, what we have now is overboard, and if nobody speaks up about it, what we’ll soon have is going without a helmet equivalent to picking permadeath in the character creator.
I want this to remain a stylistic option for people, not for it to become a haha funy meme death.
Its not against the rules to not wear a helmet (unless you are a SL, FTL, SG or Spec and are ordered to wear one, and refuse).
I want this to remain a stylistic option for people, not for it to become a haha funy meme death.
That is just part of the price you pay for not wearing a helmet. Style isn’t free, it’s got to be paid with the blood of your head fractures.
To be perfectly serious, yeah. IB is a fucking menace. I had a round where a John Smith and Smith John (both completely bald & mute) would get IB literally every 5 seconds from their bald asses running around. It got to the point where half my fellow medics would ignore and let them die, prioritizing other dead patients.
Yes, you should be penalized for not wearing a helmet. But yeah, you’re right. It’s gone too far down the deep end, spreading the pain-in-the-ass to everyone else instead of just the helmetless marine.
Fact: No matter what you do, a sizable percentage of people will never wear helmets.
Fact: Medics will have the misfortune of treating these guys.
Fact: Any nerf to injuries sustained by helmetless marines == A nerf to medics, unless we just let those people die.
Conclusion: Nerfing helmetless baldies into IB-every-slash territory is a terrible idea that doesn’t solve the problem and just makes the game worse, period. It’s not even funny like decapitation.
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So how is it not griefing via previously stated reasons + Rule 8, use your slot on high risk roles. Ridiculous arguments get bad faith responses like this. This is barely even rules lawyering it’s that absurd. The ahelps can start any time
You are being unreasonable. My only argument has been that it is more authentic to the universe for people to wear helmets and that I believe the consequences of not wearing a helmet are fine.
You are claiming that it should be a bannable offence to not wear a helmet as some kind of counter argument? Or in a failed attempt at a ‘gotcha’ moment.
Considering the vitriol you are directing towards me I’ll respond in kind.
Either wear a helmet, or stop complaining.