Rockwell Banned

By the time a lie makes its way across the world, the truth barely has had time to put on shoes.

It seems like if LilPen was going around on an affiliated CM server (council cord?) and slandering other users as well as levying personal insults, than that behaviour is unbecoming of someone of their stature. LilPen was not just a user but a member of the CO council.

However, I do think there has been a lack of clarity and communication from the power’s that be. In CM its required for CO’s to announce why they have battlefield executed someone over comms.

I dislike this trend of reasonings for actions being posted as a singular minor post in some quickly moved past section of the discord that requires you to screenshot it, instead of some general announcements.

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the brave keyboard warriors, humanists of 21th century shall cancel such words like “jamaican” and r-word because its somehow offensive + ban people on a whim

i think its a no secret that the duration/severity of any ban purely depends on moderation’s mood and if they like the person or not or simply dont know em and et cetera

the idea is that 99% of playas on SS13 are men, thus people automatically default to “dude” “man” “he” without any thought process because who really dives into people’s background before making an assumption

anyways God forgive her for not refering to somebody as her… i think its about the time yall close ur laptops and go outside

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So true bro. CM can’t handle such nonsense and making things problematic when its not. Like for instance “deltard” or “jamaican”. Holy shit its not a problem until you or someone makes it a problem , that started the whole flame , just more gasoline to the fire.

I have no problem with the fact that everyone is basically hating over eachother. Literally guys… 1984.

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Everyone… stop talking about the REAL YOU so much. I am not here to learn your life story… and that isnt what the discord or forums is about… no one cares. You shouldnt be here to do that. Take it elsewhere.

That goes for people who ARE XYZ and people who dont LIKE XYZ. Stop putting out your hot take on Gaza… or what letter LGBTQ… or what faith you are… because that is JUST going to cause people to take sides, take and be offensive, and then we have to ban people. Talk about marines… and xenos… and bitch about balance issues and in game shit.

If we cant stop oversharing our opinions and who we are… then erase the discord.

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I’d love to add my opinion but I literally know nothing about this so

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Hasnt prevented anybody so far… :true:

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Sir WestRover i’m sorry to say but you’re the most dishonest party acting in this entire discussion.

You were encouraged to provide genuine evidence that would prove, without room to argue, that Misti was indeed malicious and transphobic and when called to do so you immediately fled and withdrew yourself from the situation. If she was actually transphobic, obscenely so I’m itching to see it and won’t argue further and if there was something more concrete no one else would either.

You’re encouraging everyone to step back while in the latter half of your essay, you’re nicely tucking in that Misti indeed WAS transphobic. This drama, if anything reflects not poorly on this community because the crux of this backlash is that Grim and the rest of management continue to act with zero transparency and seemingly on whims which is a bad slope to be sliding on. You mischaracterizing and trying to give total power of this conversation over to trans people, and therefore remove everyone else’s opinion regarding how valid is alarming and wildly anti-managed democracy.

People want more transparent management and a clearer view on what leads them to the decisions they make and you are very clearly against that because you are thus far okie doke with the decisions they are making. People like you discourage community growth, not encourage it. I encourage you to “reflect on your own internal biases”.

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While it is unfortunate you were misgendered and it is easy to find your pronouns, no one is obligated to go out of their way to learn what they are. They should be respected once known but all the people on this forum aren’t going to click on your profile or hover over your trans flag. I would never have even guessed that just hovering over the flag would give the pronouns for example.

This isn’t like twitter either where there’s a section on your bio for pronouns if I click it, most people just dumb their character names there too.

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“Jinxed literally through careless accusations and lack of information tried to form a lynch squad and directly caused Jedi to dox Frozen

Directly? Any evidence of this? Also, if frozen did actually do the stuff that jinxed said it should be known, CP is no joke, heinous.

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Hi, Lilpenpusher has asked me to post this in their stead.

Hello CM folk. I’ve been made aware of quite a few questions remaining in the room, be it simply due to my sudden disappearance from CO Council in the middle of a lore rewrite, my intentions with regards to this cban, and of course, the various questions surrounding the “reasons” for which I got cbanned.

I can’t respond to any of this personally (sadly) to help clarify and shed light on everything obviously, but Jooks has been kind (and brave) enough to volunteer to relay this message to you all in my name. I’ll try my best to remain civil here so that Management doesn’t decapitate them as they did me and several others.

Q: Is CO Lore dead now? You were the face of the new Third Fleet/Regiment stuff and it seems it’ll just die again, now.

A: No, CO lore is not dead- or at least, I hope it won’t die. It’s true that the Third Fleet revive was something entirely willed and stemmed by me, helped by helpful minds and hands such as Kaga and my fellow Councillors. I have been very eager to get all this lore out because I’m a major sucker for lore, and I’m glad people are afraid it’ll die because it means I probably created something people look forward to. Awesome!

Not long after my cban me and Karl (superreallycoolguy) exchanged on how to proceed with lore. The suggestion came up whether I, as the main creator of the Regimental lore, wanted it burnt and erased - but I didn’t want that, because it would have been a silly punishment that would have hit our COs and Community, not Management. Instead, I’ve handed over editing access to all my private lore docs and Regimental Chart graphic to Karl, and with him, the Council members. It is my expressed desire that they finish what little there was still to do, and hit the final home run for you all. I will remain in contact with my standing friends from Council, and remain here for them should they have any questions or want my input as the original creator of the lore. COs deserve proper, good lore like this and management won’t stop me from delivering that, in some form.

Q: Are you going to appeal this cban? Is there anything we can do to help?

I am not (officially) appealing my cban, no. The truth of the story is that the main thing keeping me with CM was CO Council work, as well as my recent obsession with character art. The game feels stale, repetitive, and frankly I never went into CM for fragging anyway. The game has continued to worsen for any type of support role, be they planetside or shipside, and I just don’t feel there is a place for me much anymore even if I were to come back.

That aside, if I somehow get unbanned, I might drop in as rifleman once in a blue moon to play with squaddie friends. But since so many OGs are getting banned nowadays due to the terrible direction CM is taking OOC, with all its excessive policing and whatnot, I don’t see that happening.

I am currently discussing alternatives with my friends, and will probably be hopping over and dipping my toes into other codebases.

Q: Were you warned at all before your cban?

Grim issued me a one-week forumban one day prior due to the leaked comment on the Yautja Jamaican thread. This means that, for all intents and purposes, I was already punished for that anyway.

I did not receive any formal warnings beyond that point.

I was told - after the cban - that I had “accumulated a plethora of infractions, but you accrued them so fast that it spiraled straight into a cban”. Obviously I find that theory/excuse to be laughable, if it even is true, but hey ho.

Q: Did you actually partake in doxxing Frozen at all?

No. In fact, I was the individual Grim covertly referred to in chat when he kept saying “one individual DMed us about it”. I was sent that comment by Frozen and decided to DM it to both Grim and Forest straight away, and had them investigate it. I had no part in it leaking, nor did I partake in the doxxing. I was literally asleep when that stuff went down.
Q: What’s the matter with you and Arty? What’s with the messages Grim leaked about you being supposedly transphobic?

I’m not going to pull a Warfan here; turn on a dime, come back and say “oh, um, actually I changed my mind on this” and try to wiggle my way around this. The frank and honest tale is that I don’t like Arty as a person because they are annoying to have in any conversation since they insert (trans)gender politics into everything, which is super taxing and unnecessary.

Does that mean I hate trans folk? Obviously not. The Forum post Grim posted? Yes, that was me being heated and frankly I had crossed a line. That’s fine. I’m only human. Not sorry though.

The Discord stuff from Councilcord? That’s pretty much just carefully cropped snippets of conversation which (it seems) Management is using to try and prove their point about me. Obviously I was holding a conversation with others there, and the actual context of it all is lost because Management is unwilling to show the full context and reality of what was discussed.

Said reality is that the conversation (regarding Arty) was us discussing that gender politics have no place in online discussions, and that vehemently insisting on being gendered correctly in a pre-dominantly male space (CM as much as any other online space, let’s be 100% honest here) is silly and dumb. I, myself, have been misgendered in your thread here repeatedly, being called a ‘she’ purely because I play a femstatic. In-game, ironically, I am usually misgendered and called a Sir. I don’t give a shit and I don’t get worked up about it.

Does that mean I have the same perspective as a transgender? No, obviously not. Me being indifferent about being misgendered isnt the same as when a trans person gets misgendered, but given the transgender friends I have, I sure know that those types of trans folk can exist, and I have exactly zero issues with em. I know their gender, but when you’re typing in chat, or worse yet, playing games, you default to male pronouns all the time. It just happens. It’s not malicious, it’s a habit, and my friends realise that.

tl:dr no I’m not transphobic. That entire convo was about us agreeing that Beck is a bottomless shitstirrer and that Arty should stop inserting gender identity into conversations they have absolute no place in. That’s literally all it was, and I have no clue why Staff are adding so much more sauce to this than there actually is lol.

Q: Why a direct cban? Why wasn’t there any sort of announcement about a CO Councillor being cbanned?

No idea. There’s theories - the usual type of ‘X Manager has it out for me and wanted me gone’ - but I won’t entertain that in this. It seems silly to me not to let at least the CO WL know one of their Councillors just got snapped into oblivion.

Whether this is carelessness and unprofessional, or people trying to hide things under the rug, is up to you people to decide for yourselves.

Q: Have you had any chance to talk with Management about this cban after?

I have not gone out of my way to DM any of them, so I wouldn’t know. I went and DMed Forest BEFORE my cban because Grim had gone and compared me to Frozen’s doxxers, which is hilariously outrageous to say considering all I did was publicly claim he was a terrible host and mocking of his own community. I went and wrote an entire, properly written out appeal, and remained respectful to Forest as I always have been.

Forest never replied, ghosting me and my appeal. Hours later, I was cbanned without warn. To my knowledge, Grim has not been punished or reprimanded in any way for slandering me in public. Shame, but oh well.

In closing, I am typing this up as a final way to clarify things to you all. I’m not planning on returning, the same way I decided not to return to Staff 2 years ago when I realised this very same rot from within Management.

I want to end this on a happy note, if I can, so I just wanted to say thank you to my fellow CO Councillors who were a great pleasure to work with. We didn’t always see eye to eye on every issue and every change or applicant, but it was a professional and enjoyable experience, and I still feel we had one of the most active and competent Whitelist Councils of the current day with us. Particular shoutout to Karl aka Superreallycoolguy who is a longterm friend and seriously vouched for me when it came to actually getting people to vote me into Council. Thanks, Karl. Seriously, I won’t forget all you’ve done for and with me.

There’s a lot of other people I could be thanking - it’s been YEARS - but this isn’t a cryosleep post and I don’t want it to be one anyway.

Feel free to friend me on Discord (lilpenpusher) if any of you wanna chat properly, I’m chill. I’m currently looking to setup an ‘Artcord’ for people to post and discuss CM-related artwork, be it characters or otherwise. I’m hoping for it to be a place where CM’s artists can have a bit more of a safe space to grow and prosper, not just that single chatroom in the maincord. I really feel the artistic avenue of CM has been underrated, and as my recent expenditure signals, I’d love to give proper attention to artists.

If you’d like an invite to that server, by all means, hit me up on Discord. Shameless plug is very real.

Anyways, I’ve finally become free. I’m going to see you people on the Creek.

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the generation we live in…

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Damn this alone deserves its own thread imo

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I hate to break it to you, but I am, and openly said this not imune to my own criticisms.

As I had said earlier, I do not wish to get heated so yes I removed myself from the converstaion so I could get a better mental grasp of my feelings towards this entire situation.
I am not trying to act dishonest, I am trying to act within my own personal limits in regards to this situation.

Nor am I saying to hand this convo off to a single group, rather i’m saying to not deny what trans people veiw as transphobic.

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I think you should do as you said and remove yourself from the conversation at this time then.

This situation should not be mentally taxing for you and if it is you need to work on that.

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A lot of things are just in general mentally taxing in regards to this.
It is multiple factors, a lot of it is just general issues with everyone including myself in this convo.

Managments well missmanagment and repeated incompetence.
The communities dissinterest to fully try and understand trans voices.Being trans does not inherently mean my stances or other trans peoples stances are correct. What is to just listen, and try and understand where we are comming from in regrads to this situation.

Before I fully remove myself from this convo I will clarify my stance in full.

Penpusher should have been punished for what they did, they should not have been punished to the extent of a cban, i think losing Co counciler and a small temp discord ban would have been enough. Management clearly picks favourites in this community. The community also does the the same.

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yeee I expected thattt

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Bro… stopppp. With all due respect no one is searching the beyond hub for “shooting xenos while learning to understand trans voices”.

And unless I am very mistaken on being trans I dont see how that even matters or should be a focus for our 2d space game. Your IRL sexuality and self image is totally irrelevant to being a marine fighting the xeno menance.

I mean isnt that WHY you want to play this game? To roleplay as someone other than yourself? To escape real life?

I hope people arent assholes to you, and i hope you arent uncomfortable. If you are that sucks. If people harass you report them. But also stop self inserting your real life into this fantasy game. A game where excessive violence is common and people commonly roleplay murdering, stabbing, and shooting fellow humans with little to no thought… but we have to slow down to consider the way our words make others feel?

Naw. Take it elsewhere.

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If thats actually the reason for the comment that lead to the ban which were already pretty ‘mild’ in terms of being transphobic at least from my take away of it, and at the MOST being suggestive of ‘not giving a shit about you’ in general, then thats kind of crazy.

I literally do not understand why they were Cbanned, for the comments, suspension of forums/discord/community for some time for toxcicity in general can be argued and probably wouldn’t have much issue as it’d be a matter of being ‘totally unnescescary’ to speak like that, but getting Cbanned because the topic you collide with is affiliated with trans and your comments happen to be negative that maybe overlaps with it is completely unescescary and over the top in my eyes.

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That’s a large part of the problem. While most folks try to have some form of conversation it gets drowned out. Either by folks incoherently spewing insults or by people spamming IMGUR ares for softcore porn images.

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I got caught under the gun similarly in this fiasco and caught a discord perma ban for transphobia for my first ever discord infraction (and a light one at that) yesterday so I feel some of your pain. Sucks that this is the current state of things. Farewell friend o7

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