I am kind of getting tired of split drops leading to marine wipes over and over and do not wish to participate in them.
Please provide clarification as to whether CIC announcing a mandatory split drop (especially for one very specific squad every time) is a mutinyable offense, or if it can be opted out by Squad SLs or at least junior squad personnel, circumventing OOC requirements to follow orders.
I know I am not the only one who hates split drops with a burning passion.
The Mutiny Rule Paragraph states:
Examples of Invalid Mutiny Reasons:
Xenos achieved an early or relatively easy victory, outside the control of command.
Would premature countermeasures (mutiny) to this inevitable outcome be acceptable?
I also request a clarification as to whether CIC leading to an extremely swift wipe for a specific squad is grounds for this squad to mutiny and eliminate the XO who we believe is acting in bad faith in regards to his OOC protection and authority.
UPD:
There was a guy recently enough who kept sending marines to suicide missions and using least optimal strategies: TheSheerAudacity - Player Report: River Cherry, Rule 4, Grief - #26.
I agree itâs very frustrating not being able to do anything about it. I donât think every split drop is grief though, but generally speaking marines should have a tool to deal with grief strats.
From an XO perspective. Allowing for marines to mutiny for not liking a plan will lead to rounds becoming even more repetitive and remove any creativity for XOâs. Marines shouldnât mutiny just because they donât like a plan. But I do compromise that if the initial drop gets 70-80% of the force killed then marines should just be able to adapt on the ground side and focus on a single FOB while disregarding the XO, leading to the XO needing to adapt to the situation, but even then a sometimes it just comes down to the marines ânot being goodâ and getting themselves killed needlessly. Adding to this if marines tried this against an XO with a CO and a good number of MPs then itâll just lead to a cluster fuck before deployment.
Clarification on split drops?: There is nothing to clarify, itâs a strategy that anyone can use.
Mutiny command for ordering split drop?: There is nothing stopping you from attempting to doing this.
You can mutiny command for just about anything at any single moment. All it takes for you is to gather 4 other dudes and staff report the reason for it.
However âmutiny against command for split dropâ I can promise you is going to be denied 100/100 times.
I mean just this tbh, most round are already very repetitive and many times get boring because of this (why do you think people donât like 4-5 hour rounds?).
Fun strats like split droping or mass rappeling break the whole pattern and give command creativity, else lets just remove briefing from SOP entirely and play every map the exact same way every single time.
Its a damn game, we donât need to minmax it. (I do agree that repeptitive split droping can get frustraiting)
Marines donât get to launch a mutiny just because they are disgruntled with their commandersâ orders. In the movie, the Marines were very disgruntled when they were ordered to discard their ammunition and use flamers only, but they didnât march back and execute Burke for it.
Split drop is not, in my opinion, something worthy of mutinying. If the Marines cannot handle splitting the force up at the start of the operation and they somehow all die before uniting, then that is frankly a skill issue on the Marines part.
Erm CO are you telling ME <----- that I HAVE TO board this RINKY DINKY shitty little BOAT and sail across this mother fuckinâ CHANNEL to STORM A BEACH??? AND WEâRE SPLITTING UP??? THE BRITS GO ONE WAY AND THE AMERICANS TO OMAHA??? ERmmmmmmm actually, its mutiny time⌠Sorry sir but I donât do OFF META plansâŚ
Do you guys remember the thread where people kept going omg I wish we could have COs with MORE CHARACTER theyâre all soooo LAME!!! This is what you wanted, and now you donât want it.
This server is the Carrousel of Bitching and Moaning.
Split drops and other non meta game plans can absolutely work if they are executed by a competent Command and SLs who know what they are doing and where they are leading their squad to.
If marines mutinied the acting Commander roundstart every time because they did a different strat the game would become unbearable and extremely boring in my opinion.
Currently if a plan goes terribly wrong you can always gather some marines for a mutiny and ahelp.
There is a difference between âplaying off-metaâ and trying to grief marines. I already brought up the case where admins to this day did nothing to an actual griefer who for several consequential days kept rolling XO and did nothing but trying to ruin marinesâ experience by doing dumb shit (one of the orders was "We wonât have CAS today!) Stop trying to frame it as âuniquenessâ. Also, there is NO contradiction between wanting more interesting COs and marines being able to roundstart mutiny against a bad plan. Good COs donât need admin protection and able to show a plan to marines the way they will want to participate. You can have both things at the same time.
And yeah, if you think that in real life soldiers wouldnât have mutinied against suicide orders then you are just wrong.
I cannot speak for the player report. The question of this thread is to clarify if a split drop is a mutinyable offence, which I do not believe it is.
Off topic. We donât ban people for being incompetent. However, if someone is griefing then action can be taken. Again, I cannot speak for the player report, but it is important to note that the line between incompetence and intentional griefing can be blurred.
Well isnât it a good thing that this is a thread primarily about off-meta plans like split drops and not about commanders blatantly griefing!
I personally donât think this is being argued in any manner even resembling âgood faithâ. Bringing up River fucking Cherry as an example despite this being a PR from November and despite that player having not touched command roles since feels EXTREMELY choosy and in no way related to the question/request this thread has posed, especially since I think 99% of the server agrees they were deliberately mutiny baiting.
Youâre missing the point by a country mile. The âWhat Happened to fun Gimmick COsâ thread is full of 86 messages where people are railing against meta plans and crying out for COs to âmake the round interesting/varied.â Several COs point out that the same people requesting these off meta plans âcompletely derail or disregard any nonmeta orders and flame COs in dchat or LRC the moment it goes wrong for âgriefââ as @goshflipheck put it. If this entire thread isnât an example of that exact statement then Iâll eat my own goddamn shoe.
Yâall need to make up your minds on whether you want drones on the CO WL spamming âgo hydroâ or mixing it up with a split drop every once in a while, this thread isnât a good look.
Skip a game for an hour and donât let the CM withdrawals get you
"Be me and try to play a round as PFC. Can not deploy until 40 mins cause Delta SL âJohn âFraggerâ Bobbyâ didnât like the XOs attitude. Have a shit round cause most of command is dead and a bunch of dudes got arrested after the provost came
Or play command and set the example you want to
Also lol some random XO griefer does not represent the entire command player base just like Dr. Tram OD doesnât represent the entire medical department player base
also lol staff just came out and said ooc meta reasons are not acceptable reasons for munity
The military chain of command is just part of CM, no one is forcing you to play it and as douchy as it sounds, chain of command is not a democracy. Player reports exist for a reason and ahelps. Someone playing in obvious bad faith is ahelp. Someone running a plan you personally donât like, tough beans man.