The discord and it's intended role.

As I returned to CM, I noticed that there seems to be a lack of communication and clarification on the role of the discord, and how to contact staff. I decided to write this post because after some digging, these issues seem to be widespread enough to avoid this being my personal complaint thread. I’m going to be very careful with the feedback rules, but it is worth noting that the reason I am making this post is in part because of personal experience.

So then. This post seeks to address the lack of non discord communication, going both ways, present on CMSS13. I am going to give examples of when this becomes an issue, and a few things that in my opinion could alleviate these issues.

Lets start with the players to staff side of things. Currently, if you need to appeal a an autoslur ban, dispute a discord staff action, or even if you just want to talk about a staff decision without reporting them, you have to contact management.

The issue is, if you don’t have access to the discord, you cannot contact management. this is particularly egregious in my second example, where it says to DM the discord manager. I think I do not need to explain the major issue here.

And all of this is without mentioning the fact that having any whitelist or staff/staff adjacent role requires discord membership (although apparently staff members can leave the CM discord iirc?) but that is a separate topic.

Now, on the other side (staff communications to players), things are not much better. The most notable example I had the unpleasant experience of falling victim to was when a certain slur starting in r was banned. Now this is a settled manner so I won’t go over it, but rather the way it was communicated.

This was announced only on the discord and in the message of the day (Which in case like me you had no idea what this was, is the tiny piece of text above the active PRs that changes roughly once per year and does not give you any sort of popup to say when it has been changed) and not on the forums in the dedicated rule changelog (which is marked as outdated, further proving my point in my opinion). I also seem to not be the only person to have fallen victim to this.

I have drawn up a quick list of solutions that I think could fix this issue. Not all of them are compatible, and some are far more radical then others, so they are not meant to be taken equally.

  • Mirror all discord announcements to the forums. This is something I feel like was supposed to happen, but never did. But perhaps I can’t find it.

  • Regularly update the rule changelog. Self explanatory. It being outdated is not good.

  • Have staff members link their discord tags in their forum bios. Self explanatory as well.

  • Change how discord bans work. This could be done either by a ban simply decerting the banee (allows them to still see #announcements and contact staff members) or by making them permamuted instead.

  • Introduce a different way to contact staff. This seems a bit convoluted but I suppose why not.

  • Comically radical, make the discord and the game itself intrinsically linked. banned from game banned from discord, and vice versa. This would definitely be very controversial and require a ton of effort spent reworking the rules though, so probably not the best idea.

  • A very simple solution that’s quite mean, simply say that if you get banned from the discord you lose the rights to contact staff easily and to be informed rapidly of rule changes.

I am sure there are probably quite a few other possibilities that others can think of, but those are my 2 cents.

P.S: I do not currently live in an english speaking country, nor am I a regular forum user, so feel free to inform me of any spelling/grammar/formatting mistakes.

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People should NOT have to be simply banned on discord if they get banned in game, If you are a new player and are unaware about how to propperly appeal a ban discord would most likely be their first point to get on discord for instant help on the issuerather than 1-2 days for an admin to think about reading an appeal.

Or if they are a veteran who played the game but took a step to far in a discord text channel, they should not be banned in the game where the main focus is shooting xenos or killing marines

Howerver I do agree about the changelogs being synced with discord anouncements about changes in some way, as for the case of the R word, if a person who plays CM and does not care about the discord community, they have and will get banned for something they were not aware of.

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Oh I think associating both like that is a poor idea. But I wanted to provide a list of solutions from very different angles.

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I fully agree with you on the first fourth points. On the fifth one, private forum messages are a thing but I doubt all staff members are active here. And the last two points, bad idea. I don’t think we need a discord at all, as it seems to encourage bad behaviour (for example, the PR feedback discussion threads on the forums are always pretty civil compared to the “PR bad kill yourself” spam discord feedback was), but people who are banned from the discord or don’t want to use it because of the mentioned bad behaviour should at least be able to know about rule changes and events.

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I literally did not know we have a PM feature on these forums and I HIGHLY doubt it is widespread knowledge.

As for the rest, I completely agree, but I wanted to force myself to provide a large amount of possible solutions.

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You can message staff in private messages on the forums however my experience using this feature has been rather poor.

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ITT: I ban evaded and it needs to be everyone else’s problem.

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I think I’ve shown that the things I focused on in this post are actual issues, and if you disagree, I invite you to tell me why.

I will however ask you to think about 2 scenarios, and you tell me which is more likely, if you insist on thinking that is relevant here. 1: I lost access to my old account due to issues with google authenticator, and figured I may as well use my new discord account giving I am only contacting staff and you can’t see anything on the CM discord uncerted anyways, or B: I went out of my way to create a new discord account, risking a permanent unappealable discord ban so I could…see the certs channel.

This is really not the place for this though no offense. Again, if you disagree with anything I have said here please tell me.

For contacting staff, point I will say use a trusted member of the community to contact staff for you. I have been used like this 3 times so far, all I did was get DM by said player and they would say “hey can you reach out to X person and just send them snips of what I am about to send you? ask them if they are ok with that first thanks.” I then reach out and ask got the OK every time, and i would just send the snips of their entire text between them. Never once was anyone not OK with it or forced into it and talks stayed nice and chill.
Why didnt you try this? Or PM them here on forums? I know the rules and guidelines/SOP says talk it through discord but if you explained yourself in PMs here to them on the forums I am sure you can get to taking and even sort things out. I have PM staff here and never not had a response.
Also pretty sure CM staff have to be on CM discord server. Like what they do a very large part of their work and stuff through discord.

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I don’t want this to be about my personal experience as this isn’t the personal complaints section of the forums.

My point of view is that those solutions are convoluted or not very widespread. Asking someone to forward stuff to staff is a hassle imo and seems very roundabout. You also have to find someone that’s pretty trustworthy.

Forum messages seem like they’d be a good alternative, but they aren’t mentioned anywhere and I don’t think a majority of people know of them. I remember them never being used on the old forum but it seems they’ve gotten more popular. If it was mentioned somewhere I think that could help fix the issues I’ve outlined.

I could’ve sworn ages ago there was a huge drama because silencer who was staff at the time left the discord and staff said they were perfectly allowed to. I might be going crazy though, already feel like it somewhat.

My dude these forums have a walk-through and cover how the forums work. It even went over DMs and such. Its one of the first things you get to do/have to do get basic access iirc.

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No offense I’m not sure that’s correct. At least I know when I made my account I had nothing similar. If that is the case now, that’s good though.

I have also removed anything related to my personal experiences so people stop thinking this is a “*needshelp the evil admins banned me from the spessgame!!” thread.

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https://gyazo.com/01061f2c08ce2b3e701d213723789837
Got the day I signed up here. Got it all done in less then 10 minutes. I really dont know what more to tell you.

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I don’t know what to tell you as I got that once reaching the first “”rank”” and I can therefore confidently confirm that it’s not something you have to do to gain any sort of permissions, is purely voluntary, and doesn’t even mention DMs in the thing until the very end.

I don’t think there’s any point discussing forum rank semantics but that’s just blatantly false.

This obscure forum tutorial is also not the best way to communicate a feature imo. I don’t think I’m saying anything controversial here.

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You choosing not to read it and arguably more advanced topics being mentioned at the end doesn’t make the forum tutorial obscure. How would you communicate features instead? This big blue message button isn’t really hidden either:

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What makes it obscure is the fact you only get it after ~5 posts on the forums, and it’s one thing mentioned among many.

If it was up to me, assuming that staff actively looks at it (which I’m not sure about given how others have described their experiences with it) then I’d simply slap down somewhere “here are a few ways you can contact staff” etc.

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So you complain about the forum not immediately throwing all available features at you when you create your account and at the same time want to have less things mentioned at once? If it was up to me, computer manufacturers would show you a few ways to press the obscure reset button, open your favourite browser and access the colonial marines forum.

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What I’m saying is I don’t think this is mentioned enough for it to be self evident. That seems like slight hyperbole?

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There is also nothing saying you cant reach out to staff other ways. True discord is THE WAY to do it, but its not the only way. Hell I know there is a email you have to use if you are both banned from discord and the forums and want to appeal it. IIRC that is given if you ask for it or in your ban message. I know a few people that have reached out to management this way and at the very least started talking with them to work towards it being undone/appealed.
I have to also disagrees with other methods not being self evident. I have already listed a few and as have others, not to mentions as I said before, on discord I was reached reached out 3 times on separate occasions and acted as a middle man between them and member of the staff team with zero issue. If they could come up with that so can others.

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Jimenez your shit together.

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